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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will usher host and we have a great show

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for you this evening I met the gentleman

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that is our guest tonight several years

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ago and while I met him I ran into

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Alejandro Rojas

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for the first time and he'll be coming

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up with the UFO updates first before our

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guests I do want to thank everyone that

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helps out with the show and I also want

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to thank everyone that supports the show

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and anyone can do that that's either on

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patreon or you can go to our website

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podcast UFO calm over there at our

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website we have a new blog up again this

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week this one's called UFO I'm sorry

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9/11 UFO part 2 talks about the

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midwestern UFO calls people were calling

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in to police stations and it's a really

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good blog check that out that's by

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Charles Lear

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Peggy helps out with the Facebook page

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we have a new story up there every day

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of the week so check that out at over at

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Facebook and I want to thank you all for

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listening to the show you know just

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coming up in two weeks it's gonna be our

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eighth year anniversary I can't even

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believe it and I might as well have

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Alejandro jump in now Alejandro how are

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you good how are you doing good when did

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you when that was 2013 right when you

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and I met at I believe that's when the

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we met down in North Carolina yeah I bet

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sounds right I know Kent well know

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better um but it sounds right

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yeah and that was I think one of the

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best conferences I mean you know we go

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to a lot of conferences but I loved it

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because I thought the lineup was

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remarkable now Leslie k9o got to help

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him with that but there was I mean we

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got some really important interviews

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from that that you know are some

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interviews we weren't able to get

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anywhere else

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Francois I think his name was I can't

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remember that right now the guy who was

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running a jape on the yes alright

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program on France at the time

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yeah general de Brouwer who was the guy

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who investigated the triangles in the

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1990s those were a couple big ones we've

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interviewed him several times but the

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international representative of Safa ah

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Chile's official UFO organization was

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there and another number of other really

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important people that was a remarkable

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conference and yeah that's where you and

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I met because there weren't many people

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there there was you know compared to

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some of the other really large winter is

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quite a few for the space but you and I

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were there and that was a ton of fun

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getting to know you and hey look what

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happened that's right

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that's right yeah I remember I remember

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trying to pronounce your first name I

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had trouble with your name and yeah I

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think I remember that we spent some time

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there trying to trying to clean II how

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to say my name that's right but yeah

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there was a lot of great people there I

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met Randy Nickerson our members that's

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the first time we met him and Leslie

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Cain of course and Charles halt although

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it was just uh it was a wonderful time

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really really fun yeah it was great and

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so what is going on with you with me or

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UFO news well I don't know if you want

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to talk about you everyone knows that

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you were moving less and moving out of

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your house and you had to hurry so you

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couldn't be there last week so you're

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just a busy guy

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you have been crazy busy but it's been a

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lot of good stuff exciting stuff of

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course I didn't have a show this week as

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any of your list my listeners no we

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listened to your show which is quite a

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few well know so I apologize for that

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but I'll have a net week show up next

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week of course I'm here with you and

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then I'm going to be talking with Lee

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Spiegel tomorrow on his show so that

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will be a lot of fun

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otherwise I guess no a couple of new

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things and this is kind of funny I was

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thinking of this just now and I would

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love to hear your thoughts and I don't

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know maybe I talk about this too much

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but I'm not the only one talking about

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this stuff I was just about to talk

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about this you know one of the few

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stories that have been out in actually

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the last week which is this New York

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Times article about Tom DeLonge and it

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features an interview not just with Tom

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DeLonge but also of Louise Elizondo so

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this is a big deal it's New York Times

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Tom DeLonge of course is the rock star

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who used to work or play with blink-182

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now he's touring actually right now with

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his band Angels and Airwaves

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and Louise Elizondo used to run the

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Pentagon program and I don't know why

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and I shouldn't feel this way and it's

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kind of it's bad it doesn't say much for

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UFO research I kind of tweeted about it

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yesterday but I almost for some reason

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feel a little self-conscious about

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saying positive things about Tom and Lew

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and I shouldn't feel that way I mean

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there's no reason to feel that way it's

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just there's so many haters out there

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that you know I know and I think it's

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maybe almost like PTSD hike I prepare

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shell-shocked I prepare myself you know

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for this barrage of negativity you know

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just saying something positive about

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these guys yeah you know someone sent me

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just a tweet or something yesterday that

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you were a little bit of a battle and

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and yeah I I get that I see that

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happening so yeah I mean I don't know

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it's not a I and my end and this was I

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was writing about you know people keep

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saying you know as if people are

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choosing sides or like you know

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everything's about who won this side or

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that side and most of us don't feel like

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we're on our side I'm not on any side at

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all I'm covering news and information

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you know you have this rock stars

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started this great organization that's

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getting a lot of news out that's been

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literally instrumental in getting the

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Navy really if this wouldn't have

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happened

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the Navy probably wouldn't have

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about what they wouldn't have talked

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about UFOs at all like they have in the

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last few months and that's also you know

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luckily you know things worked out where

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Louella zonda was able to come out from

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working at the Pentagon and work with

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Tom and have this space with other

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professionals to do some of the

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extraordinary work that they're doing

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but what they're doing is really

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important and I don't understand why you

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know the hate especially you know why we

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need to or so many some feel that we

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need to kind of what feels like to me

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just you know blindly hate these people

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and assume that they're up to something

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negative and you know we've seen this

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trend this happened to Bob Bigelow you

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know a billionaire who came into the

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field I think happens with a lot of

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people who have are prominent or have

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money and it's an interesting thing I

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still like to break that down and try to

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figure out you know what it is maybe

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it's just the innate you know kind of

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skepticism or cynicism of people who are

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interested in this topic but I think

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there's also the silent masses that the

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many many people out there who are

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interested who listen to our shows for

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example and they want information and

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they want news and they don't really

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have a horse in the race either except

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that they're excited to hear more about

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the topic a more credible information

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about the topic and and I think to learn

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more about the topic and that's what I

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believe that Tom and Lou are

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facilitating and you know when you look

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at this New York Times article and this

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is my whole point it's a great article

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it's very good I think that the answers

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at Tom and Lew gave were very good they

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were grounded they were careful to say

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especially Lou we don't know what you

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know is going on out there we just know

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that there's a phenomena and we're

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investigating it some of the headlines

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do to this New York Times article are

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things such as this this is from science

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alert alien research group started by

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blink-182 singer says it's found exotic

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UFO material and that's a more

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accurate way to put it others have said

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you know they found material from UFOs

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or they found alien material or some of

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these other things that just go very

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much too far where Lu was very careful

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careful to say these are unknown and

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hopefully the writer of the headline

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that I just read understands that UFO

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means unknown and in that sense it's

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accurate because they like Lou said

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we're following the data and we'll see

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where the data takes us but so far you

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know there's reasons for us to think

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that this material that we have is

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interesting so it's a great article I

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think that demonstrates there is serious

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research going on in this field that

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there are credible people who take this

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mystery seriously and that there's

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investigation and research going on to

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try to figure it all out and for that

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reason and one other thing to note I

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it's not written by the same people who

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that that really broke things open and

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in fact out of those three people who

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and Helene Cooper two of those people

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Blumenthal and Kane I can of course who

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we referred to it helped out this North

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Carolina conference you guys will be

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talking about but they're very familiar

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with the UFO phenomena and have written

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about the UFO phenomena as far as I know

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I don't know that this this gentleman

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who wrote this New York Times article

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Derek Bryce and Taylor this new one that

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just came out I think it came out like

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you know just like a few couple days ago

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he is someone who doesn't you know isn't

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familiar with UFOs in the UFO phenomena

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and it's interesting that you know he

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took such a straight forward take on

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this article to report and I think

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that's another important thing that's

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going on here is that mainstream

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journalists are feeling more comfortable

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to do that I've been hanging out with

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Brian bender quite a bit he writes for

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Politico he's a defense in space editor

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which is a pretty big deal this guy

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Hobnobs and hangs out in washington DC

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he Hobnobs with generals and and

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secretaries of this and secretaries of

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you know all of the main shakers movers

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and players politicians and you know he

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doesn't really care about the UFO

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community or what the UFO people want

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he's just trying to write stories like

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this good this gentleman in the New York

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know very interesting all of this

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credible stuff coming out unfortunately

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not to put words in Boehner's mouth but

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he's also struggled you know with what

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the in fact that's how we connected in

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that we were being lumped together and

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attacked his people who are promoting to

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the Stars and we're just big fans of

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theirs and we're doing whatever they say

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Brian bender could really care less the

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the to the stars people are very low on

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the totem pole compared to the people he

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usually deals with he just being someone

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who writes about defense in space finds

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his story very interesting and he finds

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all of this credible information very

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interesting in my opinion these

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journalists are being good journalists

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and doing their job which is a little

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bit different than we've seen in the

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past and the the topic hasn't been taken

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seriously so just because journalists

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are taking these things seriously and

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they're finding you know too long in an

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Elizondo to be credible I don't know why

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we need to attack these people and

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assume that they're they're terrible or

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bad or anything like that so I don't

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know it's kind of an interesting dynamic

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we find ourselves in on the one hand we

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have you know incredible articles like

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this New York Times one that just came

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out that is taking that the topic

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seriously and examining it in a grounded

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you know unbiased way and then we have

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the reaction from many in the UFO

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community which is just extremely

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negative which is counterintuitive well

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I think you know my kind of my sideline

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take on on this whole thing is that you

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know there are there are a couple of

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discrepancies when it comes to the forms

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and you know the releasing of the videos

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and stuff like that and so I think

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people are just assuming you know here

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we go again this is another diss disinfo

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you know project and you know this

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they're there I don't know that they're

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kind of seeing the whole picture

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as that this what is what must be

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happening because you know not

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everything is exactly as it should be or

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claim to be or something like that you

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know I'm I'm thinking that's kind of

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what's going on with the with the whole

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divide too there's definitely a divide

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for sure yeah but I mean I'm sorry but

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those are poor arguments to be honest um

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and I think that they're they're

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definitely spin by people who by that

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negative sight I think there's no doubt

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you can look at my driver's license

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probably and point out hey what's with

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this why is this this way this to me

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seems like there's some deception going

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on I mean it's you can find and nitpick

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any document or or anything I mean it's

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the level of you know how much of a red

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flag these different types of items are

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and it's not just me I think I'm

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covering more of those discrepancies in

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detail than than most then at least then

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the mainstream journalism and and that's

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because you know I like other

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researchers are into the details and and

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we are looking for you know red flags

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but I think one indicator that these red

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flags are just not a big deal is when

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you don't have the New York Times or

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Politico finding any concern you know I

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asked Brian bender about these issues

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and and others and they just don't find

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them a big deal at all they see this as

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par for the course and typical when

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you're dealing with the government you

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know they're gonna there's not going to

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be consistencies across every department

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depending on you know who filled out

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what form or what department that form

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was filled out by however the bigger

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picture is you know are these large

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claims substantiated and that's what

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they're looking for and some of these

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big claims have been substantiated of

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course by other witnesses key witnesses

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such as Kevin day with the Nimitz or

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David flavor the pilot with Nimitz and

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and many others that you know you had

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many of these witnesses on the show so

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that information is Kaurava

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so then it comes down to some of this

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other information and as time has gone

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on many of those big point such as you

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know were these Navy these videos really

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released from the Navy were these videos

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really showing what the Navy felt were

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unidentified you know aerial phenomena

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you ApS or UFOs you know did a tip the

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the Pentagon program really look into

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UFOs these were the things people were

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questioning all of these things have

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been verified substantiated and verified

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by insiders not just by independent

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sources that the journalists have gotten

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New York Times had a an abundance of

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independent sources they use when they

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wrote the original article to vet this

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information in the first place but since

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then we've had many documents come out

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mostly from George Knapp but then

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substantiated by the government is real

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demonstrating all these other aspects

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were also accurate so these big large

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things have all been you know noted as

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accurate and the little things are or

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just like like I said they're they're

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perfect of course um anybody whose

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research government documents in this

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field you know when you see or

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government documents especially military

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documents at all you can see some that

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are very well done but you can see the

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vast majority that are very sloppy

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people cutting corners and not filling

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out all fields those sort of things you

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know that happens so there's human error

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involved with all of this and and so you

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know finding them so those are certainly

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things to look at and pay attention to

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but they're not you know big picture big

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red flags that should inspire the sort

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of negativity and hatred that it seems

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to inspire and a lot of very using a

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term from Stan Freeman very loud noisy

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negative out there yeah yeah okay well

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speaking of the Nimitz you know

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witnesses next week just to let everyone

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know we have Kevin day and Gary voir

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both witnesses are going to be on the

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show then but thank you so much I'll 100

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we went a little bit over time but

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that's fine and thanks so much and we'll

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be talking to you next week I hope you

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have your move continues to work out

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well for you

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thank you very much oh and yeah I'll be

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an alien Khan this weekend and I'm

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actually in Arizona now but yes that

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otherwise the moves been going well

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great excellent all right I'll talk to

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you next week

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ZM alright see you later okay

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our guest tonight we have a tenth Center

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I met him I think it was 2013 in North

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Carolina he is a seasoned longtime UFO

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researcher he was raised in Northern

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Virginia he has he's been involved with

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MUFON from early time and so I'm really

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excited to have him on he's a fine

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gentleman welcome to the show

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Kent how are you Thank You Martin I

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think so much for having me

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yes we met I was very happy to meet you

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way back

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was it 2013 I keep throwing that number

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yeah it was it was in June of 2013 when

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we held the conference huh

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we had like like Alejandra said it was a

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great list of speakers I got together

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with Leslie Kane and she got Jose lei

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from that's right

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seee FAA and Chile yeah I was Xavier

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Paso was who Alejandro was thinking

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about it was xavier peso from Japan and

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France I had the astrophysicist Jeffrey

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Bennett that he wrote all those max goes

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to Mars books for all the schoolchildren

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the shuttle astronauts of debris demand

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and I had dr. Western came and I'm

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trying to think right now who's he had

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Colonel halt and general de Brouwer

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Leslie spoke had Nancy Talbot come from

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BLT research about crop circles and dr.

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Wendt

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where my main least Alisa

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speakers and we tried to get the Iranian

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general

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affari I can't remember his last name

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but he was coming out of Canada but they

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would not give him a visa to come down

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and speak so huh I missed that on him

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with that yes I remember hearing about

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that well yeah it was that was a

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fantastic

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yeah offers they had dr. Haynes in our

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cab right that's right they did a they

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actually after the seminar Chile and

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France did an international agreement of

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cooperation to study this phenomenon

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once they met at my conference and then

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dr. Haynes with Nara captain also his

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group signed in did that to that cause I

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was kind of proud of that that came

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about and so yeah it was kind of a

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historic situation in general you know

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with up with all this uh with all those

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people there yeah I met so many

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different people there actually now that

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I think about it and that was early on

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for me because my show was only a few

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years old so can you tell Randall you

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mention Randall yep yeah yeah he was on

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full weeks ago and that's that's how you

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and I got in touch right right right I

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i-i've you know Randall after the the

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the meeting he wasn't one of our

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speakers but he came down there to film

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and interviewed me and then during the

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interview process based on some

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experiences I've had I was interested

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always interested in this Charles Hall

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story out in Nevada and he wrote the

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Millenial I can't remember the name of

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it but he wrote these books about this

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contact with these beings out in Nevada

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off dog-bone like and in any and I can't

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remember the name of the base it's right

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outside of Las Vegas it's where they do

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the have the drones but anyhow

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he spoke about these beings up there

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these tall whites and so I was talking

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to Randall and I said earlier do you

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meaning right off dog bone Lake because

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he was out there and he filmed the

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sighting and I he said who's who's

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Charles Hall he didn't even know who

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they are Allah was and I so I explained

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to him and he he said you want to come

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up my room and see this film that I

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filmed and some of my wife and I went

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upstairs and just a remarkable film

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there's just glowing objects but they

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moved so fast is his view was like a 27

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mile range of the mountains from where

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area 51 was all the way down to dog-bone

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Lake and these things just zipped across

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the sky and stopped on a dime and went

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down into those mountains and then came

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back up and we're flying around and it

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just really struck me because a new fund

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had done an article about a pilot in the

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flying I think from st. Louis to San

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Francisco and as they got close to that

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area they were asked to veer north it

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was incoming traffic so they had a

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divert around area 51 and he he

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explained that he had these sightings of

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these like 30 of these objects come in

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and where area 51 was he said it's like

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this big

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holographic crosshairs came up it was

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like a mile high and these these craft

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was just zipping in through down through

543
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:05,630
this crosshairs into the area 51

544
00:24:12,889 --> 00:24:08,520
one after another just at incredible

545
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:12,899
speeds and this kind of looked like what

546
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,970
Randall film kind of looked you know

547
00:24:19,399 --> 00:24:16,799
apparently what this guy pilot had

548
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:19,409
described during one of his flights but

549
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:21,570
it was really really interesting but

550
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,570
it's so much occurred you know I what

551
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:27,120
happened was I got cancer I've got that

552
00:24:32,269 --> 00:24:30,179
multiple myeloma and I decided after all

553
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:32,279
my sightings and everything because I

554
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:34,590
mainly had stained quiet about it you

555
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:36,659
know for free just pretty much most of

556
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:40,710
my life and I've wanted to come out with

557
00:24:44,899 --> 00:24:43,320
what I knew and things I've heard and

558
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:44,909
what I've experienced no one

559
00:24:52,009 --> 00:24:48,840
my children too to understand what my

560
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:52,019
views on it were and to to know a little

561
00:24:58,609 --> 00:24:56,129
bit more about me and so I decided to

562
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,619
hold this conference and when I did so

563
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:01,679
many things occurred that for instance

564
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:03,450
one of my sightings was down in

565
00:25:12,889 --> 00:25:07,679
Lumberton with this apparently like a

566
00:25:15,019 --> 00:25:12,899
v-shaped craft but it Leslie asked me to

567
00:25:16,369 --> 00:25:15,029
interview and I think I heard Alejandra

568
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:16,379
say you're gonna have least Spiegel on

569
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:18,710
next week or your next show

570
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:21,720
well she had asked me to interview with

571
00:25:27,169 --> 00:25:23,970
Lee speed because he was writing for The

572
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:27,179
Huffington Post so he asked me what got

573
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,919
my interest into it so I started going

574
00:25:33,379 --> 00:25:30,799
back through my sightings that I had and

575
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,389
the one was down in Lumberton and I

576
00:25:37,249 --> 00:25:35,039
started explained about you know as

577
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:37,259
driving down the road and saw these this

578
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:40,200
sheriff's car a police car and guys

579
00:25:44,419 --> 00:25:41,849
standing out in the field you know when

580
00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:44,429
I saw this thing basically was gliding

581
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:46,789
off in the distance and it's like a

582
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,159
reddish glow to it and was gliding over

583
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,919
the treetops going away so then I took

584
00:25:59,539 --> 00:25:54,840
off after this thing and I couldn't

585
00:26:00,979 --> 00:25:59,549
catch it and he said he stopped me and

586
00:26:03,589 --> 00:26:00,989
he goes Kent he goes Do You Know Who I

587
00:26:06,349 --> 00:26:03,599
am I said no I said I understand you the

588
00:26:08,749 --> 00:26:06,359
writer from Huffington Post and that's

589
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:08,759
when Lee explained to me he's he

590
00:26:15,139 --> 00:26:11,700
organized that UN meeting back in this

591
00:26:19,639 --> 00:26:15,149
60s I believe with had Cooper there and

592
00:26:22,369 --> 00:26:19,649
later I was like 1978 I do believe 78

593
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:22,379
into seven yeah okay so he he organized

594
00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:24,570
that meeting and then he goes and

595
00:26:28,879 --> 00:26:26,429
explains he just can't want to tell you

596
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:28,889
something the guys you saw standing out

597
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:32,580
in the field that was me and I said what

598
00:26:40,609 --> 00:26:35,340
he goes that was me out in the field he

599
00:26:44,479 --> 00:26:40,619
said I was investigating for jail and

600
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:44,489
hynek's group the queue goes and he said

601
00:26:48,739 --> 00:26:46,529
he would ask me to come down to the

602
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,749
Lumberton and investigate that sightings

603
00:26:53,329 --> 00:26:50,580
that they were having down there at the

604
00:26:55,849 --> 00:26:53,339
time and yeah here's the man that's

605
00:26:57,539 --> 00:26:55,859
right you know and so you know there was

606
00:27:01,200 --> 00:26:57,549
family members that I told about

607
00:27:04,889 --> 00:27:01,210
citing and a couple my sightings

608
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,899
actually it was it was all I had a did a

609
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:08,080
podcast with Tim beckylyn we talked

610
00:27:13,739 --> 00:27:11,049
about this synchronicity though it's so

611
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:13,749
strange but all of a sudden when I held

612
00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:17,919
this conference in 2013 my wife who from

613
00:27:25,109 --> 00:27:20,350
2000 on I told her all my stories and

614
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:25,119
you know my childhood sightings and so

615
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,919
here I meet the guy that was standing

616
00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:32,080
out in the field you know and she was

617
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,820
shocked when she heard that because she

618
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:36,399
remember me telling this story and here

619
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,960
I got to meet the guy that was standing

620
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:40,720
out in the field so deciding that I had

621
00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:45,190
and then I don't want to jump around too

622
00:27:48,810 --> 00:27:46,509
much I was trying to take it in order I

623
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:48,820
had sightings when I was 9 and when I

624
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:52,950
was 14 years old in Northern Virginia I

625
00:27:59,220 --> 00:27:56,710
it really startled me but one of the

626
00:28:03,049 --> 00:27:59,230
things about it is my best friend's

627
00:28:07,139 --> 00:28:03,059
father was deputy director for FAA and

628
00:28:12,019 --> 00:28:07,149
he was a it was a major in the Air Force

629
00:28:15,299 --> 00:28:12,029
and he flew under Curtis LeMay and I

630
00:28:17,369 --> 00:28:15,309
knew when I saw they had this sighting I

631
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,379
was over this house and he's the first

632
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:19,840
person I ever asked anything about was

633
00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:23,440
about UFOs or flying saucers and I asked

634
00:28:29,099 --> 00:28:27,340
him if they were real and he turned to

635
00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:29,109
me you had a strange look on his face

636
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:30,879
and turned to me and he explained to me

637
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:32,529
he says you know there was a guy in my

638
00:28:36,349 --> 00:28:34,570
outfit once it walked into a hangar and

639
00:28:38,729 --> 00:28:36,359
supposedly had one of these crashed

640
00:28:40,139 --> 00:28:38,739
flying saucers in that hangar and he

641
00:28:42,659 --> 00:28:40,149
wasn't supposed to see it and he goes

642
00:28:44,729 --> 00:28:42,669
you know what they did to him and I said

643
00:28:47,639 --> 00:28:44,739
no and he goes they locked him up in the

644
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:47,649
mental hospital for a couple years and I

645
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,480
was like why did they do that and he

646
00:28:54,539 --> 00:28:50,799
says well when he gets out and talks

647
00:28:56,249 --> 00:28:54,549
who's gonna believe it and I was you

648
00:28:59,299 --> 00:28:56,259
know so young at the time and it

649
00:29:02,700 --> 00:28:59,309
terrified me because this is back in

650
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:02,710
when Kennedy was president and you know

651
00:29:09,509 --> 00:29:06,240
everybody was was John Howe you know

652
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:09,519
everybody was all-american and you know

653
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:11,080
I couldn't believe the government with

654
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:13,750
do something like that and then I

655
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,390
started thinking in my mind being a you

656
00:29:20,669 --> 00:29:19,120
know young kid that if I opened my mouth

657
00:29:22,649 --> 00:29:20,679
and said what I saw they were going to

658
00:29:25,019 --> 00:29:22,659
put me away you know and that that was

659
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:25,029
at such a young age it was pretty

660
00:29:31,409 --> 00:29:26,950
traumatic for me you know so I never

661
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,419
talked about what I saw and until you

662
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:33,039
know later like I said later on the

663
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:35,049
years when I was married to my wife's

664
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:39,760
and so anyhow I had that sighting and

665
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:42,760
then another sighting that I had well I

666
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:44,049
was sleeping out and I'm by my back

667
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:47,620
porch and this I'm gonna say craft it

668
00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:50,110
was an orange disc shape and had a light

669
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:52,899
coming down and this light it was like a

670
00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:54,970
cone shape but it stopped about three

671
00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:55,960
feet above the ground

672
00:30:01,860 --> 00:29:59,289
and that's what just it shocked me

673
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:01,870
because light doesn't stop you know and

674
00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:03,610
this light just stops about three feet

675
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,100
above the ground and I I got up and went

676
00:30:12,629 --> 00:30:08,799
outside the screen ports in my backyard

677
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:12,639
and and the light was rising back up and

678
00:30:16,259 --> 00:30:14,679
it would just started floating off real

679
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,269
quietly I mean you couldn't hear a pin

680
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:18,399
drop and he just started floating above

681
00:30:22,169 --> 00:30:20,769
the trees and was floating away and I

682
00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:22,179
just remember running down the street

683
00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:23,860
after this thing trying to get a better

684
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:27,399
view of it but wow those were two

685
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:29,169
sightings when I was younger I was just

686
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:33,460
it was just it really you know put the

687
00:30:40,259 --> 00:30:35,049
questions in my mind what are these

688
00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:40,269
things what's going on but and and so

689
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,269
you started the chapter North Carolina

690
00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:45,039
chapter of MUFON though in the late in

691
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:47,980
the 80s at some point so right well what

692
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:49,809
happened after the lumber didn't siding

693
00:30:57,299 --> 00:30:52,260
is I had a personal sighting in Durham

694
00:31:01,259 --> 00:30:57,309
around 84 I would say was 84 85 and this

695
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:01,269
was a craft I mean this kind of like the

696
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:04,570
I would say was more like the Taconic

697
00:31:10,019 --> 00:31:08,049
Parkway Hudson Valley sightings this was

698
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:10,029
a craft that came with it had these

699
00:31:15,389 --> 00:31:12,610
lights and this craft was stay gotten

700
00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:15,399
home from work and I was working two

701
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:18,100
full-time jobs and so I had like an hour

702
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,309
in between shifts that I'd come home and

703
00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:24,159
eat and change clothes and I got out of

704
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:24,940
my car

705
00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:28,810
after my first shift job and got out of

706
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,520
my car and stood in the driveway as I

707
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:32,080
was going to the house I looked up and

708
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:34,270
this craft was about a quarter mile off

709
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:35,470
in the distance up in the sky just

710
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,490
standing perfectly still and I just

711
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:40,720
remember walking to the end of the

712
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:42,910
sidewalk and lining it up against a tree

713
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,860
just to see if this thing had any

714
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:46,720
movement at all these lights and it they

715
00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:49,690
didn't so I got my wife to come out and

716
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:52,360
she took a look at it and she

717
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,890
immediately turned him ran in the house

718
00:31:58,770 --> 00:31:55,840
I don't know why but she just took off

719
00:32:02,280 --> 00:31:58,780
and I had been flashing the flashlight

720
00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:02,290
at it just you know three long and three

721
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:05,140
shorts just off and on trying to signal

722
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:06,610
this thing just to see if I could get in

723
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:09,640
a response and luckily I had my eyes on

724
00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:11,710
it it did I guess it's like a light

725
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:13,630
switch they all turned off and it was

726
00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:16,630
pitch-black couldn't see anything and

727
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:18,520
then I'm going through my mind oh you

728
00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:20,110
know why didn't I have a camera why

729
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:21,700
didn't have something you know and I was

730
00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:23,550
a little frustrated and not through the

731
00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:26,860
flashlight back into my car and leaned

732
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:28,600
back on the car and all of a sudden this

733
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:31,870
craft was above my head I guess about

734
00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:35,740
maybe 50 to 75 feet high and it was

735
00:32:39,510 --> 00:32:37,990
rotating and it was like I was watching

736
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:39,520
the back end of this thing turning

737
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:43,060
around it's like a big bar and this is

738
00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:45,910
like a bright fluorescent blue bluish

739
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:49,990
white light and saw this crap just no

740
00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:52,780
sound and this thing just rotated around

741
00:33:00,450 --> 00:32:56,440
and zipped off Wow I don't know if you

742
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:00,460
remember I had this reenacted and I had

743
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:03,910
a film crew reenact this whole that

744
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:06,160
whole scene and what it looked like for

745
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,700
that conference oh I think I remember

746
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:13,120
something about that yes okay yes in any

747
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:15,880
out that that were at that moment you

748
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:17,980
know after that I said I've got to get

749
00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:20,800
in touch with somebody that knows what's

750
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:22,150
going on with these things or whatever

751
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:26,080
and I I think it was a book by Margaret

752
00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:30,370
Sax's encyclopedia of UFOs and I looked

753
00:33:33,330 --> 00:33:31,900
up in North Carolina there was this

754
00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:33,340
Gorge fall said it was a longtime

755
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:37,540
researcher and I gave him a call and we

756
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,740
hooked up met and he

757
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:41,100
I actually had him come speak to a

758
00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:44,410
Kiwanis group and just to show you how

759
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:48,580
bad I wanted to - to find out what was

760
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:51,010
going on at that point I didn't belong

761
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:54,310
to this group but I paid $500 for him to

762
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:56,170
come up and speak to this group and I

763
00:34:01,170 --> 00:33:57,670
what do you mean a member of this group

764
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:01,180
and just so I can make this connection

765
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:04,090
and talk and we hit it off and we became

766
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:08,140
very close and that's what his idea was

767
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:10,090
you know we want to start up a MUFON

768
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,630
chapter because apparently up in New

769
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:16,480
Hampshire area and Northeast he had had

770
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:19,720
lived up there and had UFO groups study

771
00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:22,570
groups and so we started the mute on

772
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:26,580
chapter back in the mid to late 80s and

773
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:29,850
that's how the muons chapter got started

774
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:35,410
but back to the synchronicity the I had

775
00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:38,170
a sighting that I was asked to go out

776
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:40,600
and investigate actually it was a what

777
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:43,600
it was was a cattle abduction and I was

778
00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:48,910
asked to go interview what happened was

779
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,140
the Alamance County Sheriff's Department

780
00:34:53,910 --> 00:34:52,480
was calling the muon NASA if somebody

781
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:53,920
could show up there when I thought that

782
00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:56,530
was strange here's the Sheriff's

783
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:58,900
Department asking for help not that I

784
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:01,000
could you know it was you know there is

785
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:05,110
no degreed person you follow gee so but

786
00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:06,760
I just decide you know I'd go out there

787
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:08,860
and talk to him and just investigate

788
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:13,210
this report and it was remarkable just

789
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:16,210
this old farmer get citizens look

790
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:18,190
probably back then he was in his early

791
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:21,160
80s I'd say and all he cared about was

792
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:24,490
his his prize cow and he was so upset

793
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:26,890
and he was screaming at the at the

794
00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:29,650
police and the government and just you

795
00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:31,480
know he wants his cow back that's all he

796
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:34,360
kept screaming so anyhow I went and

797
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:37,570
filmed this area and I filmed location

798
00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:40,330
it was a big open field with it hung

799
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:42,220
around down by the trees cow liked to

800
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:45,790
hang by Creek down in the trees I went

801
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:47,140
down there and filmed that was the last

802
00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:49,480
place he saw this he said he saw this

803
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:52,359
big light above the trees and

804
00:35:56,489 --> 00:35:54,970
next morning when his cow was gone well

805
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:56,499
I went down in those trees and start

806
00:36:01,650 --> 00:35:58,630
filming and the guy I was training to

807
00:36:04,019 --> 00:36:01,660
investigate was with me he pointed out

808
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:04,029
his Kent look up and I looked up and

809
00:36:11,999 --> 00:36:07,619
there was a big hole in the trees and

810
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:12,009
branches were broken upwards and so I

811
00:36:16,979 --> 00:36:15,910
filmed this and a VHS recorder not

812
00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:16,989
filmed this because it was up pretty

813
00:36:23,309 --> 00:36:20,380
high about 70 feet up and I just thought

814
00:36:27,859 --> 00:36:23,319
that was a strangest thing and it wasn't

815
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:27,869
even three days later I'm going to say

816
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:31,170
well they call men in black or whatever

817
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:34,960
but I managed an apartment complex in a

818
00:36:40,529 --> 00:36:38,529
mobile home park at the time and I'm

819
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:40,539
used to police coming in checking on

820
00:36:44,819 --> 00:36:42,249
different residents and so forth and so

821
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:44,829
on so I keep these files locked up with

822
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:47,410
their records and I just remember

823
00:36:52,979 --> 00:36:49,390
glancing out the window and these guys

824
00:36:55,019 --> 00:36:52,989
in black suits coming in and walking

825
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:55,029
towards the door so I start turned to my

826
00:37:00,059 --> 00:36:57,249
right sir and luck in the files and when

827
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,069
I go to turn back the first when it

828
00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:02,079
comes through had to bend his head

829
00:37:08,099 --> 00:37:05,140
totally over to get in my door Wow and

830
00:37:09,799 --> 00:37:08,109
these two it was it was the strangest I

831
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:09,809
don't think his face was more than

832
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:12,130
probably two and a half three inches

833
00:37:17,609 --> 00:37:15,609
wide at the bottom and the whole typical

834
00:37:21,749 --> 00:37:17,619
thing the fedora hats the big black

835
00:37:24,749 --> 00:37:21,759
sunglasses but this this first one that

836
00:37:25,019 --> 00:37:24,759
walked in was I'm going to say 7-foot

837
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:25,029
tall

838
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:30,130
easy and he was almost a robotic he

839
00:37:34,799 --> 00:37:33,220
turned with his back he opened the door

840
00:37:37,529 --> 00:37:34,809
and turned with his back and like faced

841
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:37,539
across the room a little who I call

842
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:40,180
shorty walked in he was like the middle

843
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:44,380
guy and then when the thirteen came this

844
00:37:49,819 --> 00:37:46,900
one came in and he was identical I mean

845
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:49,829
I'm the spitting image of the first guy

846
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:52,390
another tall one and he came and got

847
00:38:00,269 --> 00:37:57,210
behind me and it was just a strangest

848
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:00,279
event that happened I mean this guy was

849
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,529
yelling something the shorty was the

850
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:04,960
only one that talked and he was kept

851
00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:06,130
yelling something but I

852
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:08,920
focus because I wanted to see under I

853
00:38:13,019 --> 00:38:11,470
wanted to see this tall guys eyes and I

854
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:13,029
couldn't see his eyes because he had

855
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,049
these glasses on but one thing I just I

856
00:38:21,509 --> 00:38:19,599
can't stress enough how quick this was

857
00:38:23,819 --> 00:38:21,519
as soon as that thought went in my head

858
00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:23,829
I want to see your eyes he dropped his

859
00:38:29,009 --> 00:38:26,440
head down like to the floor so like I

860
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:29,019
couldn't look up under his windows and

861
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:30,730
he just kept his head looking straight

862
00:38:37,499 --> 00:38:34,450
down at the floor and I started thinking

863
00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:37,509
okay you can read my mind then okay you

864
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:39,220
know what's going on here you know and

865
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:42,130
I'm I'm just focused on this first one

866
00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:46,690
and finally the short guy spins me

867
00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:47,740
around in my chair

868
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:51,339
and it's like you want to see I he rips

869
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:55,569
his glasses off and he had just the

870
00:39:00,329 --> 00:38:57,730
perfect circular eyes they were

871
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:00,339
completely round and the brightest blue

872
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:03,430
I've ever seen in my life it was it was

873
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:07,180
unbelievable the whole thing just it

874
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:09,220
just floored me I didn't know what was

875
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:11,500
going on it almost seemed like I was

876
00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:12,940
losing track of time it's like

877
00:39:17,579 --> 00:39:15,069
everything just came to a standstill and

878
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:17,589
what are they what do they want he just

879
00:39:22,319 --> 00:39:19,450
he was just screaming me not to ever go

880
00:39:24,299 --> 00:39:22,329
back out there whether Allen like with

881
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:24,309
the cow one yeah the farm we bowed back

882
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:25,990
to that site he hates it and he just

883
00:39:30,569 --> 00:39:27,700
kept saying you don't go back out there

884
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:30,579
you understand me and and he said it

885
00:39:34,859 --> 00:39:33,220
three times that I could hear he said

886
00:39:37,289 --> 00:39:34,869
you know you don't go back out there

887
00:39:39,509 --> 00:39:37,299
and I'm like I understand I understand

888
00:39:40,049 --> 00:39:39,519
and then they turned and walked out the

889
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:40,059
door

890
00:39:44,609 --> 00:39:43,089
and then I just sat there and I wanted

891
00:39:46,279 --> 00:39:44,619
to get their license plate and I

892
00:39:48,509 --> 00:39:46,289
couldn't even get out of my chair and

893
00:39:50,339 --> 00:39:48,519
about the time they were pulling out of

894
00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:50,349
property I was finally able to get up

895
00:39:55,019 --> 00:39:53,500
and I could see they were sometimes they

896
00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:55,029
were government plates but I couldn't

897
00:40:01,769 --> 00:39:56,980
read the numbers on them or the letters

898
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:01,779
and it just it was just it was just a

899
00:40:06,299 --> 00:40:03,910
strangest thing that ever occurred in my

900
00:40:09,029 --> 00:40:06,309
life even stranger than my sightings it

901
00:40:11,849 --> 00:40:09,039
was just so I went back inside and sat

902
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:11,859
down at my desk and was just I was you

903
00:40:17,759 --> 00:40:14,710
know almost well I was shaking and I sat

904
00:40:19,830 --> 00:40:17,769
there and I looked up in my camera I

905
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,840
left in the kitchen which is what

906
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:22,240
right off the living room and I had my

907
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:25,300
camera up on the counter there that

908
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:26,620
separates the kitchen from the living

909
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,210
room and I noticed the compartment was

910
00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:34,240
open the tape was gone you mean yeah I

911
00:40:39,330 --> 00:40:37,000
did not stay yeah I would love to see

912
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:39,340
them move around and get it or anything

913
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,470
but it was gone and it just you know I

914
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:46,240
had together the next time we had our

915
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:49,240
meeting to ask me to talk about I said

916
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:51,850
it was just I don't know it was nothing

917
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,230
to it and I just blew it off and it just

918
00:41:00,570 --> 00:40:58,960
always stuck in my head and that was one

919
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:00,580
thing when I heard about these Charles

920
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:02,110
holding these tall white signs it's the

921
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:03,460
first thing I could think of was just

922
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:08,140
this these tall you know being type

923
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:13,450
things but well cutting back I happen to

924
00:41:19,770 --> 00:41:17,770
be at a Timothy good was given a talk in

925
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:19,780
Raleigh North Carolina that night that I

926
00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:22,750
got the call from MUFON and I couldn't

927
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:24,340
remember the date so I got in touch with

928
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:28,690
Timothy good and got the exact date when

929
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,090
he did his talk so the next day I news

930
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:34,240
when I went out to the site and so I was

931
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:37,630
able to put down the dates exactly when

932
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:38,500
this occurred

933
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:43,920
and here's work it's really crazy

934
00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:48,760
through all of this I hadn't moved I got

935
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:51,100
got away from you fine I moved with my

936
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:52,650
jobs up to New Jersey and Pennsylvania

937
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:57,400
and when I got sick with his cancer we

938
00:42:03,000 --> 00:41:58,930
moved back we had just moved back down

939
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:03,010
in 2000 uary 2013 and I decided to give

940
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:05,470
this do this conference and do this

941
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:09,040
whole thing and I told my wife you know

942
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:11,260
my wife's heard heard these stories me

943
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:13,870
you know all that I've told her and when

944
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,060
she was shocked about the lease spiegel

945
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:18,160
because she remembers me telling her you

946
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:20,920
know the guys in the field so I was

947
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,420
telling her about you know I said you

948
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:23,920
know I really need to get down to the

949
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:25,770
Alamance County Sheriff's Department and

950
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:28,210
check to see if any of the other deputy

951
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:31,450
sheriff's have had any kind of you know

952
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:33,550
encounter while in my bees or

953
00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:35,410
anybody else went through that because I

954
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:37,420
never even gave him my address or

955
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:40,150
anything on how this they even showed up

956
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:44,860
in where I worked and I remember George

957
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:46,870
Paul said had a similar thing happened

958
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,020
to him that he told me about where they

959
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:52,720
showed up at his daughter's college dorm

960
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:56,700
that he was up in Chicago speaking and

961
00:43:03,810 --> 00:42:59,950
they kind of got him outside after his

962
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:03,820
talk and his car there's one of these in

963
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:05,710
my B's and car ask him to get in the car

964
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:07,090
and started talking to him told him he

965
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:08,940
needed to be quiet and stop talking

966
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:11,530
giving presentations about this stuff he

967
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,570
didn't know what he's talking about and

968
00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:16,240
he was warned you know you need to stop

969
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,380
doing this and he still went out and

970
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:22,680
spoke a couple of times well when he did

971
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:25,990
his daughter had called them it's that

972
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:27,880
one of these guys was in her room and

973
00:43:32,490 --> 00:43:31,270
she knew nothing about the mi B's or

974
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:32,500
anything that George had gone through

975
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:33,960
never said a word to his daughter

976
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:36,130
anything about you know what had

977
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:38,650
happened and she said there was this guy

978
00:43:43,530 --> 00:43:41,080
in my room and he kept telling me to

979
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:43,540
make sure you stop talking about these

980
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:46,900
UFOs what turned me what do you mean in

981
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:49,750
her room not her bedroom in her dorm

982
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:52,570
room he actually went in the dorm room

983
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,470
he was in her dorm room yeah yes and I

984
00:44:01,050 --> 00:43:58,480
remember George telling me this you know

985
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:01,060
because I was thinking how did these you

986
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:04,360
know whoever they are out of these in my

987
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:06,850
B's find out where I worked or where I

988
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:09,130
lived I never even they just knew my

989
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:11,350
name is Kent at the sheriff's department

990
00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:14,950
and I was with MUFON and I don't know

991
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:17,860
how all how it all went down they end up

992
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:20,980
showing it my job but that occurred well

993
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:24,130
to make a long story short as the

994
00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:26,530
synchronicity in this when I got down in

995
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:28,660
2013 I was talking on wife I said you

996
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:30,730
know I need to go back down this

997
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:32,050
Sheriff's Department has some pull

998
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:33,550
records I'd like to talk to some of

999
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:34,930
those sheriff's there were three

1000
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,010
sheriff's that were out in the field

1001
00:44:42,330 --> 00:44:38,800
that day and including the one that

1002
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:42,340
drove us to to the site and said I'd

1003
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:43,690
like to get in touch with them and I

1004
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:45,250
said I just you know what what am I

1005
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:47,290
going to say you know because I was like

1006
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:49,510
and think I'm some kind of kook and she

1007
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:52,030
goes well why don't you call you friend

1008
00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:54,730
Wayne well Wayne grew up with me in

1009
00:45:01,860 --> 00:44:57,220
Washington DC he lived on the street

1010
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:01,870
behind me and when we grew up and he

1011
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:03,940
moved down to Burlington North Carolina

1012
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:06,670
which is right next to Graham which

1013
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:08,650
where this whole Alamance County thing

1014
00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:12,220
and he also be was with the force for 20

1015
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:14,320
years it became a detective and the

1016
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:17,410
whole deal and I said honey I haven't

1017
00:45:22,530 --> 00:45:21,250
spoken to Wayne in years and I don't

1018
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:22,540
want him thinking I'm some kook with

1019
00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:25,180
UFOs stuff like that and she goes you

1020
00:45:29,550 --> 00:45:27,100
know what she goes that's your quickest

1021
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:29,560
in and that's your best way in she said

1022
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:33,250
call him over and fight him over and you

1023
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:34,540
know ask him if he can give you a hand

1024
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:36,970
so I said okay you know I'll call him so

1025
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:39,490
I gave him a call he came over we talked

1026
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,290
about old times and stuff and then I

1027
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:42,880
said look Wayne I said I got a favor to

1028
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:46,690
ask you and my wife she'll sit here and

1029
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:50,680
good test to this I said Wayne I said

1030
00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:52,450
you know ever since I was a little I've

1031
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:55,300
been interested in UFOs and he stopped

1032
00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:57,310
me right then he goes oh I know he can't

1033
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,460
remember when we were out sleeping out

1034
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,560
back on the screen porch and there was

1035
00:46:07,610 --> 00:46:04,800
that big rectangular UFO that came over

1036
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:07,620
because you remember that and I'm like

1037
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:11,200
number one to this day I have no

1038
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:13,090
knowledge of Wayne spending the night

1039
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:16,290
and that's looking at a rectangular UFO

1040
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:19,210
none whatsoever and there was no way you

1041
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:22,330
can mistake where a tendril UFO with an

1042
00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:25,450
orange disc and I was quite clear what I

1043
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:26,550
saw and

1044
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:30,630
but the fact that he said that it just I

1045
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:32,980
looked at Patty and she looked at me and

1046
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:35,770
she was like what in the world and I

1047
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:37,330
said Wayne what are you talking about he

1048
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:39,880
goes my god can't don't you remember

1049
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:42,820
that thing you said over the backyard he

1050
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:45,250
said it was perfect rectangle sat there

1051
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:48,610
over the backyard I said you mean the

1052
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:52,950
big orange disc and he goes no it was

1053
00:46:59,099 --> 00:46:56,560
perfectly rectangular now this happened

1054
00:47:01,319 --> 00:46:59,109
back in the mid-60s so

1055
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:01,329
yeah I don't even think there was talk

1056
00:47:06,569 --> 00:47:03,729
of rectangular UFOs back then or

1057
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:06,579
anything so it just that really shocked

1058
00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:10,869
me that here's a friend of mine you know

1059
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:13,660
it's another he's a policeman he's

1060
00:47:20,759 --> 00:47:15,670
totally sane you know been a detective

1061
00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:20,769
all his life and and he mentions this

1062
00:47:31,799 --> 00:47:24,039
and I was like my god and then it wasn't

1063
00:47:35,099 --> 00:47:31,809
I guess I think it was in 19 2015 my 9

1064
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,109
when I was 9 I had that sighting that I

1065
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:37,599
told everybody about and I'm on record

1066
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:40,089
you know even right before the

1067
00:47:48,259 --> 00:47:43,619
conference event an interview and in

1068
00:47:51,329 --> 00:47:48,269
2015 norm Gagnon with MUFON Virginia

1069
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:51,339
here's an article on the MUFON Journal

1070
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:54,910
about a sighting at the same time that

1071
00:47:58,499 --> 00:47:56,529
occurred when my sighting occurred there

1072
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,509
was a quarter mile from my house in

1073
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:01,599
Vienna Virginia and that's a quarter of

1074
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,170
a mile from my house in Falls Church

1075
00:48:10,979 --> 00:48:06,640
it happened occurred at the same time

1076
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:10,989
except this kid had solved beans and

1077
00:48:15,269 --> 00:48:13,690
went through like an abduction thing but

1078
00:48:18,509 --> 00:48:15,279
here's this article that comes up two

1079
00:48:20,939 --> 00:48:18,519
years after the conference and it's I

1080
00:48:24,299 --> 00:48:20,949
called Norman and that's when I had the

1081
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:24,309
the conference in 2016 and right in

1082
00:48:30,779 --> 00:48:27,640
Norman and Ben and Tony from New Found

1083
00:48:33,019 --> 00:48:30,789
Regina to come down to reference and so

1084
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:33,029
I spoke with him about my sighting that

1085
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:35,380
he had you know and investigated and

1086
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:37,180
told them about you know my sighting

1087
00:48:44,939 --> 00:48:40,920
that I had and showed him you know where

1088
00:48:48,449 --> 00:48:44,949
I'd said this years ago and that had

1089
00:48:49,739 --> 00:48:48,459
that occurred not not quite it was just

1090
00:48:52,439 --> 00:48:49,749
about a quarter of a mile from my house

1091
00:48:54,989 --> 00:48:52,449
as a matter of fact where his sighting

1092
00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:54,999
was is right real close by my elementary

1093
00:48:59,999 --> 00:48:57,880
school so you know there's you think

1094
00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:00,009
about it there's not a lot of people

1095
00:49:04,890 --> 00:49:02,589
that have as many sightings as you do

1096
00:49:06,779 --> 00:49:04,900
you know I mean know most people don't

1097
00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:06,789
everything and you know and I and I sit

1098
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:08,289
there and and that's one thing it

1099
00:49:13,019 --> 00:49:09,849
bothers me I've had all these sightings

1100
00:49:14,579 --> 00:49:13,029
but it's you know I said well number

1101
00:49:16,229 --> 00:49:14,589
one how does people look at that well at

1102
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:16,239
this point in my life I don't care

1103
00:49:21,419 --> 00:49:19,150
because my cancer yeah it's like I just

1104
00:49:24,749 --> 00:49:21,429
I'm after the truth of what's what's

1105
00:49:26,759 --> 00:49:24,759
happened you know and there's actually

1106
00:49:31,709 --> 00:49:26,769
been a couple more incidences happened

1107
00:49:33,449 --> 00:49:31,719
and but but there are fact I well I just

1108
00:49:37,409 --> 00:49:33,459
I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you up I

1109
00:49:40,349 --> 00:49:37,419
will say that our people that this does

1110
00:49:42,149 --> 00:49:40,359
seem to happen to that have you know a

1111
00:49:44,279 --> 00:49:42,159
number of sightings you know ray

1112
00:49:46,829 --> 00:49:44,289
Stanford for one you know UFO

1113
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:46,839
researchers he's right a ton of

1114
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:48,729
sightings and there are a number of

1115
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:53,140
people and I think it's not just the

1116
00:49:57,449 --> 00:49:55,150
fact that you know because you once you

1117
00:49:59,039 --> 00:49:57,459
have one sighting you know I know I

1118
00:50:02,640 --> 00:49:59,049
don't know about you but I'm always

1119
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:02,650
looking looking around looking up in a

1120
00:50:07,259 --> 00:50:05,169
airplane I instinctively look out you

1121
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:07,269
know over the wings and look out in the

1122
00:50:12,689 --> 00:50:10,630
sky right and up and I wouldn't have

1123
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:12,699
done that before you know so there yeah

1124
00:50:18,209 --> 00:50:15,369
that's because it's such an early age

1125
00:50:21,089 --> 00:50:18,219
I started watching the skies at night

1126
00:50:22,649 --> 00:50:21,099
time left for instance a couple of these

1127
00:50:28,589 --> 00:50:22,659
sightings I never would have seen it and

1128
00:50:31,919 --> 00:50:28,599
I looked up you know it's it's and when

1129
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,929
you think about it it - probably most

1130
00:50:37,729 --> 00:50:33,839
people it sounds like a lot of sightings

1131
00:50:40,349 --> 00:50:37,739
but I can count them on both my hands

1132
00:50:44,849 --> 00:50:40,359
I've had about ten sightings in my life

1133
00:50:47,339 --> 00:50:44,859
now I'm turned 66 so that's ten nights

1134
00:50:49,739 --> 00:50:47,349
out of all those nights of your life

1135
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:49,749
yeah you know it's not like that happens

1136
00:50:57,479 --> 00:50:52,150
that often but it's the situations that

1137
00:51:01,559 --> 00:50:57,489
you know I tell you what's what's

1138
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:01,569
puzzled me is one of our family friends

1139
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:03,609
is a friend of my dad's worked in the

1140
00:51:10,409 --> 00:51:06,880
Pentagon and he was with the photo

1141
00:51:13,409 --> 00:51:10,419
reconnaissance lab at the Pentagon and

1142
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:13,419
he was a personally he was a joke

1143
00:51:20,249 --> 00:51:15,609
jokester he would always crack jokes at

1144
00:51:21,929 --> 00:51:20,259
you and make fun of you and he was very

1145
00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:21,939
strict with his children that kind of

1146
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:23,589
scared all the neighborhood kids because

1147
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:26,680
he was so strict but

1148
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:30,130
I there was a look magazine that I still

1149
00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:32,110
have that came out they did a special

1150
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:36,040
and flying saucers back in 66 or 67 and

1151
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:38,170
I remember getting I'm talking my mom

1152
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:39,640
into getting this magazine now ran out

1153
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:42,850
in the screen porch and was showing it

1154
00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:46,930
to my dad and which immediately he's he

1155
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:49,270
just got abusive he was just making fun

1156
00:51:54,930 --> 00:51:52,390
of me so about and between him and

1157
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:54,940
another neighbor and Jack I didn't even

1158
00:51:59,850 --> 00:51:56,950
want to look up and look at Jack he was

1159
00:52:02,460 --> 00:51:59,860
sitting in the corner in the chair and I

1160
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:02,470
knew he was just going to just have a

1161
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:04,990
heyday with me and when I looked at him

1162
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:08,290
he was sitting down with his head

1163
00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:10,630
looking at the floor and he was grabbing

1164
00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:13,060
his hands clinching his hands like in a

1165
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:16,120
fist together and he was just shaking

1166
00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:20,260
his head and no and and it struck me

1167
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:22,300
really funny I mean he was really upset

1168
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:26,310
that they were teasing me like that and

1169
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:29,670
that stood out in my mind and was like

1170
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:34,470
so later in life my parents divorced and

1171
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:37,600
my mom had remarried and this guy who

1172
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:40,890
I'm just saying is first name was Jack

1173
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:44,050
him and his wife came down to my mom's

1174
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:48,220
reception down in North Carolina and at

1175
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:50,530
that time I was working retail as a

1176
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:53,170
manager of jewelry stores and I had to

1177
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:55,330
just don't only could get away long

1178
00:52:59,850 --> 00:52:57,190
enough to come to my mom's reception and

1179
00:53:02,520 --> 00:52:59,860
then I had to get back to work so I

1180
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,530
never even saw jack standing there and I

1181
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:04,720
ran out the door and I was getting

1182
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:07,810
really jog to my car and Jack stood up

1183
00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:09,940
on outside on the front of yelled my

1184
00:53:13,950 --> 00:53:12,700
name out and I turned and ran back to

1185
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:13,960
him so now you're doing Jack I'm sorry

1186
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:15,610
didn't see you standing there and he

1187
00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:18,430
gets hey he's still reading those UFO

1188
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:21,580
books and I said well yeah I've got to

1189
00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:24,310
got a few whew I'm collected and he goes

1190
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:27,880
you need to come up and visit me like

1191
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:29,710
gasps never retired I'm living it I

1192
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:31,330
guess and you need to come up and we'll

1193
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:34,480
go fishing and talk and I just blow it

1194
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:36,610
off I said sure you know we'll get

1195
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:38,770
together you know and what about my

1196
00:53:46,510 --> 00:53:40,100
merry way and then

1197
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:46,520
it wasn't until 2009 that I started

1198
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:48,350
asking my mom questions about Jack and

1199
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:51,410
Margaret you know and because I knew he

1200
00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:54,500
worked at the Pentagon and come to find

1201
00:54:01,810 --> 00:53:59,090
out Jack was in Roswell he was there

1202
00:54:07,330 --> 00:54:01,820
under Colonel Blanchard back from 47

1203
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:07,340
well he was everywhere Blanchard went

1204
00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:10,010
Jack went it's with the exception Jack

1205
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:12,200
went to wright-patterson he worked at

1206
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:15,710
wright-patterson in photoreconnaissance

1207
00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:17,450
he ran the photo reconnaissance lab

1208
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:21,080
there and then Jack followed him all the

1209
00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:23,240
way up he's with the Defense

1210
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:25,070
Intelligence Agency when they first

1211
00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:28,370
started it off Columbia Pike and that

1212
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:30,350
was before it moved to the Pentagon and

1213
00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:33,590
in Jack went to the Pentagon with when

1214
00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:35,980
they moved and he worked under Blanchard

1215
00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:41,900
so I had a short meeting with with Jack

1216
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:44,620
and asked him a ton of questions which

1217
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:47,690
he had remarried and he felt quite

1218
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:51,470
uncomfortable answering my questions and

1219
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:53,270
I'm sorry I'm gonna have to do this

1220
00:54:59,260 --> 00:54:55,700
though oh we have to go into our break

1221
00:55:02,590 --> 00:54:59,270
and when we come back I will we'll pick

1222
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:02,600
it up with your conversation with with

1223
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,840
Jack okay will do all right so everyone

1224
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:07,280
hang in there we'll be right back or

1225
00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:08,950
right after these messages

1226
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:11,840
all right everyone welcome back this is

1227
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:14,330
Martin Willis my guest is Kent Center

1228
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,300
and we are talking just before we went

1229
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:19,040
into break

1230
00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:22,010
Kent was talking about Jack Hill worked

1231
00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:24,440
at the Pentagon and sitting down yeah he

1232
00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:27,830
conversation go ahead he had just gotten

1233
00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:29,870
he had gotten remarried because his wife

1234
00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:33,640
passed away at cancer and turns out that

1235
00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:36,380
the woman he remembered married

1236
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:38,420
remarried they there were family friends

1237
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:41,480
and his best friend that worked with him

1238
00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:48,940
Jack and his wife used to play bridge

1239
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:51,560
with his couples so it just seemed he

1240
00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:52,530
was very uncomfortable

1241
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:54,060
walking around there but I did get you

1242
00:56:00,140 --> 00:55:56,040
know a few questions answered you know

1243
00:56:01,970 --> 00:56:00,150
one I asked about this Colonel Blanchard

1244
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:01,980
and he says yeah Blanchard loved to come

1245
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:03,390
in my office to look at my pictures

1246
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,780
every day and but you know I wanted to

1247
00:56:13,610 --> 00:56:11,760
invite him down to that conference but

1248
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:13,620
he passed away right before that and

1249
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,310
I've had a couple of very bad timing

1250
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:20,720
issues when I had that conference in

1251
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:25,290
2013 I kept receiving these calls from

1252
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:26,940
this gentleman that was in a nursing

1253
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,250
home in Greensboro theyõre where we had

1254
00:56:34,610 --> 00:56:32,040
the meaning he wanted me me to come see

1255
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:34,620
him and you know how busy I did that

1256
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:36,510
conference all by myself as far as the

1257
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:38,550
organization everything and I was a lot

1258
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:41,310
of work just oh so much work and I just

1259
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:45,660
didn't have time to get to him and never

1260
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:47,370
heard another thing back from him and

1261
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:51,030
I'll be darned that in 2016 when I held

1262
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:53,250
that next conference with Travis Walton

1263
00:57:00,830 --> 00:56:58,680
and Tom Reed and Nick Redfern he called

1264
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:00,840
the hotel where we were having a

1265
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:02,790
conference and asked me to please come

1266
00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:05,910
by and see him and so I came by to see

1267
00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:10,230
him and I took my friend who I was going

1268
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:11,820
to interview him because what he told me

1269
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,690
was he worked for the FBI in his past

1270
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:18,720
and he had something he had word that

1271
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:21,000
wanted to tell me and I'm like well I'll

1272
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:22,440
definitely be there is it all right if I

1273
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:24,780
bring somebody to do an interview you

1274
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:26,310
might want to take some pictures do some

1275
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:29,010
filming because uh and he said no come

1276
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:33,210
on by so my wife and and my friend that

1277
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:36,750
did the filming we show up is it is

1278
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:40,980
nursing home and he is so shook up when

1279
00:57:45,860 --> 00:57:42,690
he's talking to me and he tells me about

1280
00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:45,870
this what occurred was he started out as

1281
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:49,560
a field agent in in Las Vegas he lived

1282
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:52,140
right outside of Las Vegas and he his

1283
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:53,820
other field agent who's friends with

1284
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:56,880
lived in Las Vegas and asked him come

1285
00:58:00,800 --> 00:57:59,010
over that weekend spend the weekend with

1286
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:00,810
him and they you know go down to casinos

1287
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:04,770
or whatever and as he got to his friends

1288
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:06,410
house his friend was running out

1289
00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:07,820
and saying you want to come with me I

1290
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:10,760
got a call and he cuz now I'll just wait

1291
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:14,510
till you get back and I'm not sure if

1292
00:58:19,330 --> 00:58:17,090
that's true or not that he was going to

1293
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:19,340
wait because he was so shook up as he

1294
00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:22,850
was talking about this but what happened

1295
00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:28,550
was his friend he said went got a call

1296
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:30,800
and apparently one of these crafts had

1297
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:32,900
landed a UFO had landed and there were

1298
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:35,150
beings outside the craft running around

1299
00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:39,350
and it was right off a highway and they

1300
00:58:45,550 --> 00:58:42,220
were just running around this craft and

1301
00:58:47,860 --> 00:58:45,560
shook the guy up terribly he said and

1302
00:58:50,140 --> 00:58:47,870
I'm sitting there looking him as if he's

1303
00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:50,150
he's the one that just the way he was

1304
00:58:55,390 --> 00:58:52,940
acting I'm like you know and this guy

1305
00:58:59,350 --> 00:58:55,400
was in his I would say he's in his 90s

1306
00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:59,360
and I started trying to find out the

1307
00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:01,430
dates you know and ask him if he could

1308
00:59:05,350 --> 00:59:03,380
remember anything you know who was

1309
00:59:08,050 --> 00:59:05,360
playing at the casinos and and what was

1310
00:59:10,330 --> 00:59:08,060
on TV at the time and just trying to

1311
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:10,340
narrow it down was in late 40s early 50s

1312
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:13,820
and he create said he'd try to remember

1313
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:18,110
the date and his name was Howard

1314
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:21,250
Richardson was this gentleman's name and

1315
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:30,730
all of a sudden I look up and he's

1316
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:34,250
asleep so I told this nurse I said you

1317
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:35,690
know what tell him we'll come back and

1318
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:37,490
I'll call him we'll come back and set up

1319
00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:39,830
because I really want to get this on

1320
00:59:43,330 --> 00:59:40,280
film

1321
00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:43,340
and let's him some literature and stuff

1322
00:59:48,610 --> 00:59:47,180
and I called him back and he didn't

1323
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,620
answer his phone I kept calling and

1324
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:50,000
calling this went on for like three

1325
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:51,620
weeks and I told Patti I said I think

1326
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:55,040
he's pulling the number he thinks I

1327
00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:57,010
pulled on him where I never got the back

1328
01:00:01,690 --> 00:59:59,510
and Patti just looked at me and she said

1329
01:00:04,030 --> 01:00:01,700
can I hate to say this but why don't you

1330
01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:04,040
look up in the obituaries and when I

1331
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,020
pulled up the obituaries he had passed

1332
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:08,240
away like ten days after we were there

1333
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:13,510
oh and it just it just floored me and

1334
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,460
but when I read his obituary

1335
01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:19,680
he actually worked his way all the way

1336
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,750
up to where he was in charge of all the

1337
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:24,000
special agents in Washington based out

1338
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:26,339
of Washington DC so he worked in the

1339
01:00:30,829 --> 01:00:28,290
headquarters Washington DC and in charge

1340
01:00:33,050 --> 01:00:30,839
of the field agents so you know this guy

1341
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:33,060
is no kook you know this guys have got

1342
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:37,200
some credibility to his name and and to

1343
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:39,150
hear that you know here's another story

1344
01:00:45,050 --> 01:00:43,020
you know the you know I've recorded I

1345
01:00:48,050 --> 01:00:45,060
want to go down that this occurred you

1346
01:00:49,550 --> 01:00:48,060
know so right right now I'm trying to go

1347
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:49,560
through all the Blue Book files of any

1348
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:52,200
just FBI agents that might have had

1349
01:00:56,030 --> 01:00:54,540
sightings are reported you know to

1350
01:00:59,180 --> 01:00:56,040
investigate a sighting out in the Vegas

1351
01:01:03,740 --> 01:00:59,190
area try to track it down I didn't have

1352
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:03,750
any information on it on Lee Andres his

1353
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:06,570
his birth date or death date we couldn't

1354
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:08,250
file a Freedom of Information acts on

1355
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:13,770
them but it was just just remarkable now

1356
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:14,630
you're saying

1357
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:18,210
pardon me you're working on cases in Las

1358
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:21,000
Vegas is that what you're saying I'm

1359
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,859
standing anything all the people that

1360
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:24,480
from this area that live around this

1361
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:25,680
area that Colin to me

1362
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:29,070
for instance like the the school siting

1363
01:01:34,359 --> 01:01:31,050
in Whitsett here it's about a half a

1364
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:34,369
mile from my house and I it made an

1365
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:38,160
international news it's actually listed

1366
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:42,330
in that book that Preston Dennis then it

1367
01:01:48,290 --> 01:01:44,130
just came out with schoolyard UFO

1368
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:48,300
encounters I found it heard that that he

1369
01:01:53,450 --> 01:01:51,390
came out with that book yeah he we've

1370
01:01:57,170 --> 01:01:53,460
been talking he communicate with me he's

1371
01:01:59,599 --> 01:01:57,180
been on your show before but it's a

1372
01:02:02,780 --> 01:01:59,609
great book and it's he's listed there

1373
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:02,790
with it but I did a about a half an hour

1374
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:04,770
documentary on that case and didn't

1375
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:07,920
actually gotten the known dr. lamb but

1376
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:11,670
the principal I did interviewed him got

1377
01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:15,510
his whole record on on video and you

1378
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:18,750
know on that particular case please yeah

1379
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:21,540
it's there were these craft that were

1380
01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:25,230
cited he dr. lamb but a kid came running

1381
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:27,990
to schools close to the end of the day

1382
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:30,089
and said that there were these flying

1383
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:31,290
saucers up in the sky

1384
01:02:37,220 --> 01:02:34,410
and so he went outside and all the kids

1385
01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:37,230
went running out after him and dr.

1386
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:39,120
Lambeth looked it was straight above the

1387
01:02:42,980 --> 01:02:41,490
school probably about a hundred to two

1388
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:42,990
hundred feet up and he said they were

1389
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:48,510
they just round circular shiny objects

1390
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:51,030
like like ball bearings up in the sky

1391
01:02:56,090 --> 01:02:53,370
and he remembers because that they were

1392
01:02:56,810 --> 01:02:56,100
in formation like the numbers on ad

1393
01:03:00,980 --> 01:02:56,820
anima

1394
01:03:04,550 --> 01:03:00,990
dum da minimum donna mo like you know

1395
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:04,560
the six how they lined up like that but

1396
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:05,940
he said it was possibly there's eight of

1397
01:03:12,020 --> 01:03:08,460
them lined up like that and then all of

1398
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:12,030
a sudden one after node would just zip

1399
01:03:17,890 --> 01:03:14,910
away and take off until they were

1400
01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:17,900
totally gone but as they were leaving

1401
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:21,030
this whole neighborhood got filled with

1402
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:24,780
angel hair who had fallen he was hanging

1403
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:27,870
from the clothes the electric lines the

1404
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:29,400
neighborhoods clotheslines it was out in

1405
01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:33,660
the streets it was everywhere and as a

1406
01:03:36,740 --> 01:03:35,190
matter of fact one kid picked it up and

1407
01:03:39,290 --> 01:03:36,750
put it in his mouth and tasted it he

1408
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:39,300
said it was really salty tasting and

1409
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:41,130
which was kind of scary because there

1410
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:42,810
were traits there some of that was

1411
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:44,220
radioactive

1412
01:03:51,020 --> 01:03:46,650
in one of the cases of the angel hair

1413
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:51,030
tested positive for radiation but so he

1414
01:03:57,110 --> 01:03:55,110
kept this in a part of this angel hair

1415
01:03:59,410 --> 01:03:57,120
he had on sitting on his desk and in

1416
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:59,420
which happened to conveniently disappear

1417
01:04:03,830 --> 01:04:01,920
but he sent samples off to Burlington

1418
01:04:08,330 --> 01:04:03,840
industries which they couldn't tell what

1419
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:08,340
it was but it was just a phenomenal case

1420
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,260
that occurred that it's if - today one

1421
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:15,420
year earlier - the day was that sighting

1422
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:19,020
in Italy over a soccer stadium on the

1423
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:24,120
exact day the October 27th 1954 this

1424
01:04:31,340 --> 01:04:27,660
angel hair these during a game with like

1425
01:04:33,140 --> 01:04:31,350
over 10,000 spectators these UFOs came

1426
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,150
flying them around and dropping angel

1427
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,480
hair over the stadium and this occurred

1428
01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:38,940
exactly one year later well there is

1429
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:43,020
another case I remember seeing a woman

1430
01:04:46,790 --> 01:04:44,400
had a sighting in her

1431
01:04:49,940 --> 01:04:46,800
back yard and our tree was full tree was

1432
01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:49,950
full of like a substance like that can't

1433
01:04:55,450 --> 01:04:53,430
remain a particular case but you know I

1434
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:55,460
just remember the the soccer players

1435
01:05:00,560 --> 01:04:58,410
when they did a reunion recently they

1436
01:05:02,270 --> 01:05:00,570
were so upset at that I think it was on

1437
01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:02,280
the smithsonian's show whatever with

1438
01:05:06,830 --> 01:05:04,320
that research where they claimed it to

1439
01:05:09,110 --> 01:05:06,840
be ballooning spiders because these

1440
01:05:12,350 --> 01:05:09,120
crafts are flying I mean they're not

1441
01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:12,360
floating with the air they're actually

1442
01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:14,670
you know it's as if they're being

1443
01:05:19,790 --> 01:05:16,470
intelligently controlled and flying at

1444
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:19,800
speeds that you know just can stop on a

1445
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:21,780
dime and then take off at thousands of

1446
01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:26,610
miles an hour and this is what dr.

1447
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:29,190
Lambeth you know one of his favorite

1448
01:05:33,110 --> 01:05:31,740
sayings after that sighting he said was

1449
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:33,120
there's the Old Testament in the Bible

1450
01:05:39,050 --> 01:05:35,310
in the New Testament he thinks there

1451
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:39,060
ought to be another Testament hey so and

1452
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:41,250
this is coming from a highly religious

1453
01:05:45,830 --> 01:05:44,190
man but dr. Lambeth has a remarkable

1454
01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:45,840
background he got an award from the

1455
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:47,670
Kennedys for working with autistic

1456
01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:49,410
children he was one of the first

1457
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:52,590
teachers to ever do that and the

1458
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:54,450
Kennedys being big into the mental

1459
01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:57,570
illness being in their family everything

1460
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,940
they gave him a grant to further his

1461
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:01,440
education where he got his doctor's

1462
01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:04,680
degree he was a navigator in World War

1463
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:05,750
two

1464
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:11,520
during I think he was flying out of it

1465
01:06:17,180 --> 01:06:14,070
from India into China doing the battle

1466
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:17,190
runs from India to China but he had to

1467
01:06:22,790 --> 01:06:20,850
correct the Army Air Corps maps because

1468
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:22,800
it would had him running into the

1469
01:06:27,350 --> 01:06:25,680
Himalayan mountains and guys just a

1470
01:06:31,090 --> 01:06:27,360
phenomenal person and just as brilliant

1471
01:06:34,610 --> 01:06:31,100
today as he was 30 or 40 years ago

1472
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:34,620
mm-hmm he just made me feel silly he

1473
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:37,380
really did his intelligence they just he

1474
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:41,430
humbled you captain anyhow so I was so

1475
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:45,780
happy to get that on on film and record

1476
01:06:54,860 --> 01:06:52,370
this and did a DVD on him and just

1477
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:54,870
dismissive I suggest anybody interested

1478
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:56,370
in these schoolyard signings when we

1479
01:07:00,110 --> 01:06:58,290
talked like Randall I've been

1480
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:00,120
I'd sent Rendell so many of our

1481
01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:04,290
conference DVDs to try to get some you

1482
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:06,120
know donations to help with his movie

1483
01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:07,880
uh-huh

1484
01:07:13,580 --> 01:07:10,620
that that's just a phenomenal case you

1485
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:13,590
know I just oh that's yeah that's that's

1486
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:16,830
I think where the time you know most

1487
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:21,330
documented well the incident at Exeter

1488
01:07:24,830 --> 01:07:22,890
always stood out my mind when I was

1489
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:24,840
young because it was the first time that

1490
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:28,590
I saw where policemen were involved in a

1491
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:30,900
sighting yeah and it didn't make me feel

1492
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,740
so you know like I was going crazy you

1493
01:07:39,980 --> 01:07:37,920
know from what I saw right that's not -

1494
01:07:43,220 --> 01:07:39,990
that's not really that far away from

1495
01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:43,230
where I well actually were I I really

1496
01:07:47,660 --> 01:07:45,150
hope to make a trip up there today

1497
01:07:51,050 --> 01:07:47,670
because it's one of my favorite that is

1498
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:51,060
one of my favorite cases yeah you know

1499
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:53,610
but I just what I do is I just research

1500
01:08:00,050 --> 01:07:56,610
than most of my time researching the

1501
01:08:02,810 --> 01:08:00,060
history and the historical to see where

1502
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:02,820
we've you know what started this you

1503
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:05,820
know as far as our technology and how we

1504
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:10,200
become involved and you know like I'm in

1505
01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:13,290
the 40s is wasn't really started up you

1506
01:08:16,610 --> 01:08:14,550
know I mean they've been around forever

1507
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:16,620
these sightings and so forth and so on

1508
01:08:24,019 --> 01:08:20,520
but how they say you know is this our

1509
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:24,029
craft or their craft or you know these

1510
01:08:29,690 --> 01:08:28,319
unknowns I just I know for a fact just

1511
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:29,700
listen to all these government people

1512
01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:32,339
and people that have been in the know

1513
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:34,350
there is something out there flying

1514
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:37,500
around and I'm glad that you know like

1515
01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:39,750
what these Navy release video releases

1516
01:08:43,999 --> 01:08:41,910
and this at least this is coming at

1517
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,009
least that's changing yes you know at

1518
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:46,080
least where the government's starting to

1519
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:48,420
say it but you know the whole political

1520
01:08:54,559 --> 01:08:51,210
atmosphere of this world right now it's

1521
01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:54,569
like it's it's totally so insane

1522
01:08:59,900 --> 01:08:56,600
I don't know how even that can hold

1523
01:09:04,249 --> 01:08:59,910
something as historical is this you know

1524
01:09:05,539 --> 01:09:04,259
is there a life out there you know I'm

1525
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:05,549
wondering how important it is that

1526
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:08,310
people anymore you know well I don't

1527
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:11,460
think you know I mean has a lot of

1528
01:09:14,570 --> 01:09:12,150
people say it's

1529
01:09:17,149 --> 01:09:14,580
you know the most important question

1530
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:17,159
that'll ever be answered but you know I

1531
01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:19,170
I dunno what you're talking about huh no

1532
01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:21,150
it's your doctor but the news cycles out

1533
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:26,520
there but but still one of the things I

1534
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,940
think about is you know okay this this

1535
01:09:35,419 --> 01:09:32,940
what they call the modern UFO era you

1536
01:09:39,380 --> 01:09:35,429
didn't really hear a lot about anything

1537
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,390
going on prior to 47 but there are there

1538
01:09:42,979 --> 01:09:41,040
are cases oh there's a number of them

1539
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,989
out tons of cases I've got stuff back

1540
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:44,339
from the 1800s

1541
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:49,500
you know that in your area or no to

1542
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:51,960
mainly out west and run Texas you know

1543
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:54,870
the airship sightings there's there's a

1544
01:10:00,020 --> 01:09:58,620
lot out west that I mean I don't have it

1545
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:00,030
right in front of me now but there's

1546
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:02,370
been a lot out west I think as was the

1547
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:04,980
whole premise to that Cowboys and Aliens

1548
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:09,900
movie was just some of these cases yeah

1549
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:13,170
well go back into the 1850s yeah then in

1550
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,110
Britain you know they had sightings you

1551
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:18,000
know way back in the 19th century and

1552
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:22,409
and earlier I know Jacques Vallee did a

1553
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:25,409
book on historic UFOs that's something I

1554
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:27,179
haven't wanted to call wonders of the

1555
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:30,600
sky yeah that's that wonders in the sky

1556
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:33,690
Jacques Bolle and Chris all back it was

1557
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,340
an excellent book that's right yeah

1558
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:37,440
that's right there's a lot of that in it

1559
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,679
yeah I like the historic sightings and

1560
01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:42,960
another thing you know Dave Marla kind

1561
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:45,800
of uncovered that triangle UFOs are not

1562
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,580
something new

1563
01:10:52,610 --> 01:10:50,640
you know they've ya know

1564
01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:52,620
not just your sighting but you know I

1565
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:57,960
mean so back to your area in general is

1566
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,880
that would you consider it a hotspot it

1567
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:01,380
seems like there's a lot going on there

1568
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:06,900
I think it's yeah there has been yes it

1569
01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:08,489
has been a hot spot I guess you would

1570
01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:11,550
say but I think if you find out if

1571
01:11:18,189 --> 01:11:15,659
people were to dig every place to come

1572
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,199
up with with with numerous sightings

1573
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:20,880
you're in a real big hot spot up there

1574
01:11:26,020 --> 01:11:23,489
as a matter of fact that extra to case

1575
01:11:29,780 --> 01:11:26,030
not you know people talk about that

1576
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:29,790
that case that incident and Exeter it

1577
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:32,730
was actually that whole area for like

1578
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:36,000
almost a year went through a thousand

1579
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:39,570
sightings and actually even one landing

1580
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:44,130
in the backyard were almost downtown the

1581
01:11:49,940 --> 01:11:48,030
Exeter was flooded with sightings during

1582
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,950
that time in this 60s

1583
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:53,520
60 guys I remember I remember the wave

1584
01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:56,130
what they called and yeah just lasted

1585
01:12:01,490 --> 01:11:58,920
for quite a while and it wasn't just

1586
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:01,500
that one that one sighting made news

1587
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:03,090
because I think because of the police

1588
01:12:11,290 --> 01:12:08,630
but it that had numerous sightings but

1589
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:11,300
you know that that area up in their

1590
01:12:18,380 --> 01:12:15,900
north-northeast yeah United States I I

1591
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:18,390
just think is it the more you dig the

1592
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:23,460
more you find you know I think it you

1593
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:25,730
upload signings are common everywhere I

1594
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:27,930
think you know don't hear about it you

1595
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:29,970
know there's a lot of military bases up

1596
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:32,040
in the Northeast too and I think there's

1597
01:12:37,730 --> 01:12:34,620
seems to be some type of connection to

1598
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:37,740
that yeah well actually back at that

1599
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:41,280
time there was that Air Force Base right

1600
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:45,570
there it was a satin base actually what

1601
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:47,790
was it Portsmouth Pease Air Force Base

1602
01:12:54,130 --> 01:12:51,210
Pease Air Force Base yeah yeah that was

1603
01:12:58,820 --> 01:12:54,140
now might where I lived I lived on a

1604
01:13:00,500 --> 01:12:58,830
hilltop across from the river our family

1605
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:00,510
home when I was growing up where you

1606
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:02,760
could see the whole Pease Air Force Base

1607
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:04,530
of the whole like not the whole runway

1608
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:07,800
but a part of the runway Wow

1609
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:10,890
so my sister and I my sisters and I used

1610
01:13:14,540 --> 01:13:12,570
to watch planes land and take off and

1611
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,550
one day we sat and watched something

1612
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:16,320
floating I don't want to say was the UFO

1613
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,040
it was probably a weather balloon but we

1614
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:22,560
watched it for like an hour but I do

1615
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:24,150
remember that was all during the UFO

1616
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:27,740
wave so we were you know looking around

1617
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:29,820
that's fantastic

1618
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:32,670
yeah oh man I love to been up there at

1619
01:13:37,460 --> 01:13:34,170
that time I don't know why I have it

1620
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,470
such a it's almost like I want to run to

1621
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:39,520
these things but

1622
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:42,710
just interested in it now when you when

1623
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:45,110
you had any of these sightings did you

1624
01:13:51,939 --> 01:13:48,410
ever remember being afraid at all or was

1625
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:51,949
it just Carrie ality no not not afraid

1626
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:55,880
whatsoever of just it was I actually

1627
01:14:01,420 --> 01:13:58,250
felt sad you know some of the sightings

1628
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:01,430
they flew away I felt you know I felt

1629
01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:04,880
sad I felt I actually had a sighting

1630
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,719
when I was like four and a half and I

1631
01:14:17,229 --> 01:14:10,400
just felt very sad when they when they

1632
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:17,239
left I had a big loving of nature

1633
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:19,730
I bring animals in my house drove my

1634
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:23,390
mother crazy collecting frogs and

1635
01:14:27,670 --> 01:14:25,610
brought in snake oh yeah everything yeah

1636
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:27,680
and they kept trying to say why are you

1637
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:29,930
doing I just gotta save them all you

1638
01:14:36,729 --> 01:14:31,250
know I was trying to save all these

1639
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:36,739
animals yes but if I read out my battery

1640
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:38,330
dies out if you could call me right back

1641
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:40,550
yeah sounds like you're sound like

1642
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,770
you're having a little bit of a yeah a

1643
01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:45,440
cut so you know with that being said

1644
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:48,830
we're going to we can go into break if

1645
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:51,410
you'd like and yeah and then cut if you

1646
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:54,110
can call me back I'll pick up the other

1647
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:55,550
charge phone all right

1648
01:15:00,520 --> 01:14:58,370
okay so bill bill we're gonna go into

1649
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:00,530
break right now for a couple of minutes

1650
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:02,810
and this is Martin Willis hanging every

1651
01:15:07,959 --> 01:15:04,810
hanging and everyone we'll be right back

1652
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:07,969
okay all right everyone welcome back

1653
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:12,050
yeah we had a dead phone on Henson who's

1654
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:14,930
all set now so Kent we were talking

1655
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:17,030
about UFO waves I do want to say that

1656
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:19,489
we're gonna open up the lines in a few

1657
01:15:26,170 --> 01:15:22,010
minutes here about five minutes or so

1658
01:15:27,580 --> 01:15:26,180
we'll open those lines but so that's

1659
01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:27,590
kind of funny that you were kind of

1660
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:30,140
envious about the Northeast and you know

1661
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,290
oh yeah all the sightings yeah you know

1662
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:35,600
there are places you know we're talking

1663
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:37,910
about cattle mutilations earlier in you

1664
01:15:43,450 --> 01:15:40,489
know my friend Chris O'Brien wrote a

1665
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:43,460
great book about that but also he was in

1666
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:46,070
that area out in Colorado which is the

1667
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:49,070
San Luis San Luis Valley that's just

1668
01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:52,370
such a central hot spot have

1669
01:15:58,150 --> 01:15:54,980
ever tried to figure out what is a

1670
01:16:01,660 --> 01:15:58,160
hotspot why they exist and well

1671
01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:01,670
basically that's why I'm pulling

1672
01:16:06,580 --> 01:16:05,000
together so many cases just going

1673
01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:06,590
through that's all I do I've got about

1674
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:10,460
500 files I'm just going through all the

1675
01:16:14,230 --> 01:16:11,870
literature all the books and just

1676
01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:14,240
writing down all these cases and the

1677
01:16:21,130 --> 01:16:18,550
ones that stand out to me you know like

1678
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:21,140
I said major cases like the Phoenix

1679
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:23,530
lights was a to me a major case they're

1680
01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:26,090
Stevensville was a major case this

1681
01:16:32,230 --> 01:16:29,630
aerial phenomenon was a major case and

1682
01:16:34,510 --> 01:16:32,240
while I mentioned that I had gotten an

1683
01:16:36,820 --> 01:16:34,520
email from Preston Dennett the one that

1684
01:16:39,630 --> 01:16:36,830
wrote the school yard UFO encounters

1685
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:39,640
that since he came out with that book

1686
01:16:45,220 --> 01:16:42,170
he's gotten letters apparently there's

1687
01:16:47,710 --> 01:16:45,230
another case that happened around the

1688
01:16:49,090 --> 01:16:47,720
same time as the aerial case but it

1689
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,100
happened in an elementary school in

1690
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:51,440
Columbia South America that he's going

1691
01:16:58,770 --> 01:16:55,210
to be investigating and checking into so

1692
01:17:03,610 --> 01:16:58,780
but these are major cases I'm trying to

1693
01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:03,620
not that there's a pattern but how often

1694
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:06,830
does this happen where you know we can

1695
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:09,290
expect that within some time we're going

1696
01:17:15,970 --> 01:17:12,230
to see maybe something else measure mass

1697
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:15,980
sighting is going to occur but I'm just

1698
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:17,810
pulling all these records gathering all

1699
01:17:24,130 --> 01:17:20,810
these these cases that's why I found so

1700
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,140
many in North Carolina that just going

1701
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:26,960
through and historically going through

1702
01:17:32,170 --> 01:17:29,380
newspapers I go to the library a lot and

1703
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:32,180
just go through archives archives and

1704
01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:36,130
just read through newspapers and

1705
01:17:43,090 --> 01:17:38,750
occasionally up in Washington and will

1706
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:43,100
stumble grounds but just putting

1707
01:17:48,850 --> 01:17:45,890
together trying to figure out how often

1708
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:48,860
and why did these school cases or to me

1709
01:17:56,350 --> 01:17:51,710
or fascinating alone because it seems

1710
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,360
like that they're trying to get some

1711
01:18:00,610 --> 01:17:58,400
kind of message across yeah

1712
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:00,620
I said that just two weeks ago or three

1713
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:04,400
weeks ago when it when Randy and Emily

1714
01:18:10,780 --> 01:18:06,170
were on that you

1715
01:18:14,430 --> 01:18:10,790
they're impressionable kids they all not

1716
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:14,440
all but a lot of the encounters there's

1717
01:18:20,110 --> 01:18:17,870
some type of possibly telepathy or

1718
01:18:22,300 --> 01:18:20,120
whatever they have kids we'll talk about

1719
01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:22,310
images of you know take care of the

1720
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,270
earth and all that and you know not

1721
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,640
exactly climate change but something you

1722
01:18:33,850 --> 01:18:31,040
know that there's pollution there's

1723
01:18:36,220 --> 01:18:33,860
whatever it is you know take better care

1724
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:36,230
of the earth and I I think that is kind

1725
01:18:40,930 --> 01:18:39,020
of bizarre but it makes total sense in a

1726
01:18:43,780 --> 01:18:40,940
way well I I just ate you see what's

1727
01:18:45,970 --> 01:18:43,790
happening to this earth and it's not you

1728
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,980
know whether the arguments whether it's

1729
01:18:51,130 --> 01:18:48,800
man-made or not it doesn't matter I mean

1730
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:51,140
just the pollution and everything we're

1731
01:18:56,590 --> 01:18:53,050
doing itself the damage we're doing with

1732
01:18:58,419 --> 01:18:56,600
the nuclear waste everybody to me no one

1733
01:19:01,000 --> 01:18:58,429
ever talks about flying no one ever

1734
01:19:02,740 --> 01:19:01,010
talks about nuclear waste I did a show

1735
01:19:06,970 --> 01:19:02,750
on that when I was doing the everything

1736
01:19:09,550 --> 01:19:06,980
else show and basically it's 5,000

1737
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:09,560
generations before that stuff is safe so

1738
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:11,090
we're putting a bird and I know where

1739
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:12,770
this is way off the UFO topic and

1740
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:15,110
someone probably wanted wants to pull me

1741
01:19:21,610 --> 01:19:18,290
off my soapbox but we're putting the

1742
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:21,620
burden on 5,000 generation 200,000 years

1743
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:23,690
into the future that people have to be

1744
01:19:29,919 --> 01:19:25,790
careful and a half-two in art that

1745
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:29,929
enticed I for I benefit the warnings

1746
01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:32,239
that that they're bringing down to these

1747
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:36,710
children it's you know you can go all

1748
01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:38,449
the way back to the Bible you know I

1749
01:19:43,630 --> 01:19:41,510
mean I don't want to get into religion

1750
01:19:45,459 --> 01:19:43,640
or anything but you've got Ezekiel case

1751
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:45,469
it sounds more like a machine than

1752
01:19:51,850 --> 01:19:50,210
anything to me I had a family friend

1753
01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:51,860
that worked with my dad that wrote a

1754
01:19:58,150 --> 01:19:53,900
book out of the Angels hand where he

1755
01:20:00,939 --> 01:19:58,160
took the Bible and he puts passages from

1756
01:20:03,130 --> 01:20:00,949
that Bible it's a fascinating book but

1757
01:20:06,370 --> 01:20:03,140
he did passages in that Bible and then

1758
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:06,380
wrote what as if these beings are coming

1759
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:08,239
down and this is the messages they're

1760
01:20:13,450 --> 01:20:11,449
they're given the way he in his mind

1761
01:20:15,790 --> 01:20:13,460
he's he's pulling this through these are

1762
01:20:17,290 --> 01:20:15,800
the messages these actual beings are

1763
01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:17,300
coming down they're not gods but they're

1764
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:18,420
beings

1765
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:19,970
is there that are trying to tell us that

1766
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:23,610
how to how to live how to eat you know

1767
01:20:30,230 --> 01:20:25,500
how to take care of ourselves how to

1768
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:30,240
take care of this planet and it's it's

1769
01:20:33,710 --> 01:20:32,010
fascinating book I'm sorry to say he

1770
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:33,720
passed away he was one of those soldiers

1771
01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:36,510
you see that was out west when they

1772
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:38,220
would set off an atomic bomb and then

1773
01:20:42,350 --> 01:20:39,420
have him get out of the trenches and

1774
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:42,360
walk into the cloud and he was one of

1775
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:44,190
those soldiers and he ended up dying of

1776
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:45,150
bone cancer

1777
01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:48,450
and but he wrote this book he came in -

1778
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:50,840
actually - one of our mutant meetings

1779
01:20:57,650 --> 01:20:54,960
never heard of Zachary's tension or any

1780
01:21:01,790 --> 01:20:57,660
of his thoughts or anything and just did

1781
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:01,800
this book on his own just from his views

1782
01:21:07,580 --> 01:21:04,980
and it's called out of the angel's hands

1783
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:07,590
a fascinating book but Wow

1784
01:21:13,340 --> 01:21:10,290
that is an interesting interesting

1785
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:13,350
thought I'm going to open up the line so

1786
01:21:19,070 --> 01:21:15,540
if anyone wants to call and we have our

1787
01:21:21,380 --> 01:21:19,080
screener nice guy over there bill will

1788
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:21,390
screen your call and that number is

1789
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:25,290
eight five five four seven two five four

1790
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:28,890
eight three and the phone lines are open

1791
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,010
if anyone wants to call in so if we do

1792
01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:34,080
get a call I'll just let you know we

1793
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:39,660
have one waiting okay and so yeah it's

1794
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:43,140
it's really fascinating the the all the

1795
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:44,910
different ideas you know I've said on

1796
01:21:49,190 --> 01:21:46,260
the show a number of times I really

1797
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:49,200
don't know any more about the UFO topic

1798
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,500
than I did when I started you know it's

1799
01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:54,480
a it's just it's it's that rabbit hole

1800
01:22:03,440 --> 01:21:58,770
they talk about you go into and luckily

1801
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,450
I on I've been able to witness actual

1802
01:22:07,220 --> 01:22:05,400
where I'll call craft they're not the

1803
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:07,230
glowing lights you know but there are

1804
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:09,120
some type of machine up in the air

1805
01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:11,940
that's it's flying around yeah

1806
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:14,420
doing things that you know it's not

1807
01:22:18,410 --> 01:22:16,830
everything they teach you in school it's

1808
01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:18,420
physics and everything that's not

1809
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:22,470
possible but I then having to come to

1810
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:25,290
the realization this this exists you

1811
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:28,290
know it's true the sighting I had was

1812
01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:31,330
actually what I would have to say

1813
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:33,400
you know would be none other than a

1814
01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:36,250
craft you know but it was it was

1815
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:37,960
actually kind of a boring sighting

1816
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:40,150
compared to what you're talking about it

1817
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:43,570
was just a simple disc flew over me and

1818
01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:49,080
it had a blue like a blue glow to it and

1819
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:53,320
the thing that baffled me about the

1820
01:22:58,710 --> 01:22:55,810
whole thing the most was the silence I

1821
01:23:01,020 --> 01:22:58,720
couldn't understand that how I would

1822
01:23:03,450 --> 01:23:01,030
stop and you know do the things that was

1823
01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:03,460
doing it didn't do too much you know it

1824
01:23:10,230 --> 01:23:06,040
just basically yeah was going in a

1825
01:23:12,420 --> 01:23:10,240
straight line and it stops and then it

1826
01:23:14,850 --> 01:23:12,430
just went off to an angle toward

1827
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:14,860
Monterey I was in Carmel Valley at the

1828
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:17,890
time and I was in a hot tub and it was

1829
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,390
kind of boring but you know that was

1830
01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:21,280
still a sighting that occurred and

1831
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:23,380
that's why I want to show today yeah

1832
01:23:29,820 --> 01:23:27,250
well that's uh I you know I have to

1833
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:29,830
another thing I've been touching in my

1834
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:31,690
notes and that I want to put in this

1835
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:33,550
book all eventual finishes

1836
01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:37,690
I had a by having that conference I was

1837
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:40,270
able to since I was taking them all to

1838
01:23:46,350 --> 01:23:43,210
come and speak to have a private meeting

1839
01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:46,360
with dr. Hanes and Xavier peso and

1840
01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:51,420
Colonel Hall and dr. westrom and I

1841
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:54,040
wanted to go over my life and my

1842
01:24:00,000 --> 01:23:57,610
sightings and get their take on it and

1843
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:00,010
and to find out you know it's just

1844
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:02,320
basically I want answers like anybody

1845
01:24:07,020 --> 01:24:03,820
else you know but I just didn't

1846
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:07,030
understand why I had these sightings so

1847
01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:13,930
much and and you know it's it's a you

1848
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:15,640
know it's a private conversation I was

1849
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:18,520
asked not to film it I filmed it for

1850
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:22,210
myself but dr. Hanes I you know I found

1851
01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:25,120
some revelations some of the facts that

1852
01:24:31,140 --> 01:24:28,300
he stated that uh that I never knew

1853
01:24:35,730 --> 01:24:31,150
about but that I promised I wouldn't

1854
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:35,740
talk about but dr. Hanes and dr. westrom

1855
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:39,550
made me feel so much better about what I

1856
01:24:44,860 --> 01:24:42,130
what I had seen but the thing that

1857
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:44,870
fascinated me the most was I wanted

1858
01:24:50,110 --> 01:24:48,050
when I saw this and what I felt and then

1859
01:24:52,630 --> 01:24:50,120
discussing with Colonel halt what he

1860
01:24:57,700 --> 01:24:52,640
felt when he saw what he saw mention and

1861
01:24:59,740 --> 01:24:57,710
and how he's more at peace he seemed

1862
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,750
more at peace at what he saw than I am

1863
01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:01,760
at peace of what I saw

1864
01:25:07,150 --> 01:25:04,340
Wow Hey we have we have two callers on

1865
01:25:09,670 --> 01:25:07,160
waiting now okay so why don't we yeah I

1866
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:09,680
had some really nice conversations in

1867
01:25:15,220 --> 01:25:12,290
person with Charles halt down there and

1868
01:25:19,060 --> 01:25:15,230
so uh and I can't believe it's are both

1869
01:25:22,150 --> 01:25:19,070
from North Carolina and we have Bobby

1870
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:22,160
who I actually met Bobby at your

1871
01:25:27,820 --> 01:25:25,940
conference Bobby welcome to the show hey

1872
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:27,830
how you doing Martin I'm doing well

1873
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:29,530
thanks for thanks for calling this is a

1874
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:31,970
Kent is responsible for you and I

1875
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:37,010
hanging out together yeah beautiful

1876
01:25:40,660 --> 01:25:38,480
family

1877
01:25:43,690 --> 01:25:40,670
it was a great great experience for me I

1878
01:25:45,370 --> 01:25:43,700
mean those Charles halls was there they

1879
01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:45,380
got you in the Ariel movie I got to

1880
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:46,820
speak to him for a while he was there

1881
01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:48,890
what's his name again that's Randy

1882
01:25:55,570 --> 01:25:52,390
Randall Mickelson yeah yeah Randall and

1883
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:55,580
I mean after the show on Saturday I sat

1884
01:25:59,380 --> 01:25:57,890
down and I got Timothy good his first

1885
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,390
corona with limes we actually had to

1886
01:26:03,670 --> 01:26:01,040
wait for the line so I had a great time

1887
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:03,680
oh yeah I told you I joined you in that

1888
01:26:08,290 --> 01:26:06,800
I thought Timothy was a real nice guy

1889
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:08,300
his some of his theories are a little

1890
01:26:16,150 --> 01:26:11,990
bit out there but he's a nice guy mark

1891
01:26:19,180 --> 01:26:16,160
to a couple of those books yes yes I

1892
01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:19,190
want to tell you mr. Center I'm actually

1893
01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:22,550
a lot I moved here from Miami in 1995

1894
01:26:28,510 --> 01:26:24,440
and I'm in Central North Carolina little

1895
01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:28,520
town called method and you're right down

1896
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:33,230
the street I'm in Burlington okay we

1897
01:26:39,130 --> 01:26:37,130
need to get together yes one of the

1898
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:39,140
sightings I had a couple years ago I was

1899
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:41,270
on the back deck a date I'm siding with

1900
01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:43,850
my daughter and she said dad what's that

1901
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:46,670
I looked up and it was it was just a

1902
01:26:53,260 --> 01:26:48,650
cylindrical craft was brilliant white

1903
01:26:57,070 --> 01:26:53,270
and it was heading south east it was at

1904
01:26:58,810 --> 01:26:57,080
least 40,000 feet high or hot and at

1905
01:27:00,700 --> 01:26:58,820
that height if I'm correct

1906
01:27:02,350 --> 01:27:00,710
it was larger than airliner it was

1907
01:27:03,610 --> 01:27:02,360
completely silent if it had been an

1908
01:27:06,490 --> 01:27:03,620
airline I would have heard it because I

1909
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:06,500
mean it was large I mean it holding your

1910
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,300
hand out was probably about the size of

1911
01:27:11,710 --> 01:27:10,400
a dime or bigger so it's large and I

1912
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:11,720
know pretty sure it's a really high

1913
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:13,970
altitude but it's that's just identical

1914
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:18,770
to the March sighting in 2018 of the two

1915
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:21,590
pilots over Arizona one pilot has to use

1916
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:24,230
apology saw anything and a white object

1917
01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:25,730
flew over their two planes

1918
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:29,720
yes same exact thing Wow about that

1919
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:33,770
thing hey hey hey Bobby thanks thanks so

1920
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:35,930
much we have another caller thanks for

1921
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:38,570
calling in and it was a pleasure to meet

1922
01:27:42,430 --> 01:27:40,010
you down there and we've been actually

1923
01:27:45,250 --> 01:27:42,440
in touch ever since so I was really glad

1924
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:45,260
that happened I have I didn't want to

1925
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,630
tell him one more thing go ahead yeah

1926
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:49,280
there's actually there's actually a

1927
01:27:54,940 --> 01:27:52,250
video out of a hotel in Canada where a

1928
01:27:57,790 --> 01:27:54,950
guy had he worked the hotel he had a UFO

1929
01:27:59,050 --> 01:27:57,800
a post up UFO event and two men in black

1930
01:28:00,490 --> 01:27:59,060
showed up to the hotel

1931
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:00,500
to look for him but he wasn't there that

1932
01:28:05,050 --> 01:28:03,230
day but was actually a security camera

1933
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:05,060
video of the front of the hotel and

1934
01:28:09,670 --> 01:28:07,610
these guys were tall weird-looking

1935
01:28:12,130 --> 01:28:09,680
dressed just like he mr. centre

1936
01:28:13,570 --> 01:28:12,140
described black very tall and they were

1937
01:28:15,550 --> 01:28:13,580
both identical so you can actually find

1938
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:15,560
that video on YouTube thank you like

1939
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:16,370
black suits

1940
01:28:22,210 --> 01:28:19,280
yeah all right Bobby hey take care talk

1941
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:22,220
soon that that that YouTube film

1942
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:24,170
actually I found that after the

1943
01:28:30,010 --> 01:28:27,050
conference I saw that online somebody

1944
01:28:32,530 --> 01:28:30,020
had called me about it and the funny

1945
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:32,540
thing was that's kind of what they look

1946
01:28:37,090 --> 01:28:35,570
like they were just they had like I

1947
01:28:38,710 --> 01:28:37,100
don't know if you could tell him that

1948
01:28:42,610 --> 01:28:38,720
but their skin was almost like a

1949
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:42,620
see-through milky white but well they

1950
01:28:50,290 --> 01:28:45,650
had the short guy that I said it did the

1951
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:50,300
talking is the spittin image of in Nick

1952
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:52,010
Redford's book men and black there's a

1953
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:54,160
picture that somebody took of this guy

1954
01:28:59,170 --> 01:28:56,210
standing on the side of the street

1955
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:59,180
leaning against a building and I swear

1956
01:29:05,290 --> 01:29:02,080
that's the same man that came in and did

1957
01:29:07,570 --> 01:29:05,300
the talking to me and that picture was

1958
01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:07,580
taken so long ago

1959
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:11,180
creepy such a creepy thing you know

1960
01:29:13,690 --> 01:29:12,080
there's this

1961
01:29:16,900 --> 01:29:13,700
so many people that are talking about

1962
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:16,910
having these experiences with these it's

1963
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,280
it's hard to ignore you can't ignore it

1964
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:21,920
we have another caller calling from

1965
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:24,080
North Carolina again we have greg on the

1966
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:26,090
air Greg welcome to the show you have a

1967
01:29:34,630 --> 01:29:29,600
question for our guest sure sure hi

1968
01:29:38,730 --> 01:29:34,640
Martin hi oh yeah you're doing good yeah

1969
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:38,740
I had a question about the men in black

1970
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:42,560
situation and wondering if you ever were

1971
01:29:47,710 --> 01:29:44,450
able to determine if the police officers

1972
01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:47,720
had and you know I I still haven't

1973
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:49,670
gotten I've actually made three attempts

1974
01:29:53,740 --> 01:29:51,710
to get down there speak with the public

1975
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:53,750
relations to see if I can get some help

1976
01:29:59,650 --> 01:29:56,090
and they always seem to be busy at the

1977
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,660
time but I'm about ready to go back to

1978
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:01,520
my friend again and get some help from

1979
01:30:09,940 --> 01:30:04,610
him to kind of maybe push that door open

1980
01:30:11,380 --> 01:30:09,950
because I just yes every you know seems

1981
01:30:13,660 --> 01:30:11,390
like every time is just a waste of time

1982
01:30:15,070 --> 01:30:13,670
going downtown and check and checking

1983
01:30:19,180 --> 01:30:15,080
with them I just keeps getting kid

1984
01:30:23,050 --> 01:30:19,190
getting blown off but yeah you really do

1985
01:30:26,020 --> 01:30:23,060
want to finish that up how many years

1986
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:26,030
ago was that we can't do well that

1987
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:29,570
happened in 1993 is when the actual

1988
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:33,290
incident occurred was in 1993 it was in

1989
01:30:38,980 --> 01:30:37,040
May 93 at the end of May okay Garrett

1990
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:38,990
Greg you have any other questions or

1991
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:42,080
comments no that was it I was just

1992
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:43,250
wondering about that because it was a

1993
01:30:48,430 --> 01:30:44,960
very compelling story about the man in

1994
01:30:52,030 --> 01:30:48,440
black hesitation and yeah you know

1995
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:52,040
Evelyn and that one was very very

1996
01:30:58,570 --> 01:30:55,850
interested its it scared me I tell you I

1997
01:31:01,840 --> 01:30:58,580
stopped investigating for probably about

1998
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:01,850
four or five years there really it

1999
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,110
really shook me up pretty bad yeah yeah

2000
01:31:10,690 --> 01:31:07,280
that's certainly wouldn't but no I

2001
01:31:14,890 --> 01:31:10,700
appreciate the the show we watch all the

2002
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:14,900
time and great night thanks a lot I

2003
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:18,260
appreciate the call okay all right we

2004
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:21,110
have a line lines are open again anyone

2005
01:31:26,020 --> 01:31:23,570
can call in that's eight five five four

2006
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:26,030
seven two five four eight three

2007
01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:29,930
what were you saying - that's that that

2008
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:34,100
whole MIB thing was just like I say I

2009
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:37,070
actually stopped investigating for a

2010
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:39,260
while and any time a case were to be

2011
01:31:45,550 --> 01:31:41,450
called to me I would just refer it down

2012
01:31:47,950 --> 01:31:45,560
to somebody else I was you know one

2013
01:31:48,610 --> 01:31:47,960
thing I forgot to mention is I sat in my

2014
01:31:52,420 --> 01:31:48,620
chair

2015
01:31:56,410 --> 01:31:52,430
I felt like an electric shock in my in

2016
01:31:59,860 --> 01:31:56,420
my stomach it's like I was being some

2017
01:32:02,350 --> 01:31:59,870
type of electrical force coming in my

2018
01:32:05,740 --> 01:32:02,360
stomach and I wasn't I wasn't scared at

2019
01:32:07,540 --> 01:32:05,750
the time I was very curious you know but

2020
01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:07,550
I just felt it centered around my

2021
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:09,440
stomach and I was talking to Randall

2022
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:13,310
about that and he noticed when he was

2023
01:32:17,980 --> 01:32:15,110
filming they really her asked him the

2024
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:17,990
helicopters flew over and one jet flew

2025
01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:20,960
over but he was explaining that when the

2026
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:24,260
camo guys out there at area 51 when they

2027
01:32:28,180 --> 01:32:26,030
as it gets towards dusk and everything

2028
01:32:33,070 --> 01:32:28,190
go back away and then the military shows

2029
01:32:34,810 --> 01:32:33,080
up and whoever his connection was out

2030
01:32:40,030 --> 01:32:34,820
there was telling the distance you need

2031
01:32:41,710 --> 01:32:40,040
to stay back - just to be safe and from

2032
01:32:44,530 --> 01:32:41,720
where he was filming he said he still

2033
01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:44,540
felt like he was being you know

2034
01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:46,550
something was hitting him and make him

2035
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:49,310
feel nauseated and he had like an

2036
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:53,440
electrical tingling feeling but bizarre

2037
01:32:59,730 --> 01:32:56,960
and I you know I've had doctor westrom

2038
01:33:02,050 --> 01:32:59,740
asked me one time about being hypnotized

2039
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:02,060
to go through this and I've always

2040
01:33:06,580 --> 01:33:04,310
feared away from that I've heard so much

2041
01:33:08,260 --> 01:33:06,590
I mean there's a positive comes out of

2042
01:33:10,810 --> 01:33:08,270
it but there's also all this negativity

2043
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:10,820
about it you know it has to be the right

2044
01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:12,290
person you know the one that's right

2045
01:33:16,660 --> 01:33:13,880
things in your head and everything yeah

2046
01:33:18,010 --> 01:33:16,670
you know I felt all that yeah yeah I've

2047
01:33:19,930 --> 01:33:18,020
always had been under the assumption I'm

2048
01:33:25,150 --> 01:33:19,940
just going to let in my mind whatever

2049
01:33:27,340 --> 01:33:25,160
comes out comes out you know like I

2050
01:33:31,630 --> 01:33:27,350
forgot the guide with some training with

2051
01:33:35,140 --> 01:33:31,640
me I did call him to see if they showed

2052
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:35,150
up at his house or anything but this was

2053
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,560
years after the fact

2054
01:33:42,820 --> 01:33:39,440
it's as if I just blacked out of

2055
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:42,830
of that whole scenario you know and

2056
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:47,449
didn't want to talk about it and and I I

2057
01:33:53,650 --> 01:33:49,850
remembered more and more as time came by

2058
01:33:56,650 --> 01:33:53,660
on my own so there's been a couple of

2059
01:33:59,880 --> 01:33:56,660
other sightings I've had that I don't

2060
01:34:02,709 --> 01:33:59,890
want to really go public with it'sit's

2061
01:34:05,709 --> 01:34:02,719
yet that I will but I probably write

2062
01:34:08,890 --> 01:34:05,719
about it but one involves being in the

2063
01:34:10,450 --> 01:34:08,900
car and next thing I know I'm not even I

2064
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,460
was on driving on the interstate and

2065
01:34:12,580 --> 01:34:11,840
next thing I know I'm not even on the

2066
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:12,590
interstate

2067
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:17,770
and having a sighting of this craft

2068
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:21,410
taking off is all I can remember but one

2069
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:24,590
thing I do have is is that when it first

2070
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:27,290
occurred the glass blew out of the back

2071
01:34:31,930 --> 01:34:28,850
of my back window my whole back 1 2

2072
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:31,940
blowout jeez and when you're driving on

2073
01:34:36,610 --> 01:34:34,250
the interstate and when glass blows it

2074
01:34:38,740 --> 01:34:36,620
it just got sucked all the way up to my

2075
01:34:41,860 --> 01:34:38,750
dashboard and I'm on the interstate

2076
01:34:44,590 --> 01:34:41,870
driving late at night and this glass

2077
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:44,600
came flying towards the front of my car

2078
01:34:49,959 --> 01:34:47,690
that's a just loud explosion and I just

2079
01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:49,969
closed my eyes and slowed down naturally

2080
01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:53,120
and when I did and open my eyes and was

2081
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:55,040
rushing you know just in case it was

2082
01:34:59,260 --> 01:34:57,040
glass slippers around my eyes and

2083
01:35:00,520 --> 01:34:59,270
brushing away from highs and when I did

2084
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:00,530
know my eyes I wasn't even on the

2085
01:35:04,660 --> 01:35:03,199
interstate I was on a and it's basically

2086
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:04,670
wrote out in the country about a mile

2087
01:35:08,830 --> 01:35:07,370
and a half off the interstate and the

2088
01:35:12,670 --> 01:35:08,840
other funny thing was I had a dog that

2089
01:35:16,209 --> 01:35:12,680
was in the very back of the car and the

2090
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:16,219
dog was then it was in the seat next to

2091
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:20,510
me laying down asleep and it was just

2092
01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:23,570
really strange but doctor Western asked

2093
01:35:27,820 --> 01:35:26,630
about being hypnotized and I just I just

2094
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:27,830
don't want to do that yet

2095
01:35:36,729 --> 01:35:31,730
you know maybe later on if I get really

2096
01:35:41,170 --> 01:35:36,739
sick maybe I'll push the issue but I

2097
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:41,180
just wanted to to hurt me go ahead find

2098
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:44,570
out on its own so right a doctor westrom

2099
01:35:52,860 --> 01:35:50,290
I believe he's involved in the UFO data

2100
01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:52,870
which actually he possibly

2101
01:35:57,210 --> 01:35:55,120
yeah I know he's getting up there in age

2102
01:35:59,400 --> 01:35:57,220
I hate to talk about to you but yeah

2103
01:36:01,880 --> 01:35:59,410
he's he's I think he was in his 80s when

2104
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:01,890
he came and spoke with us but um

2105
01:36:06,540 --> 01:36:04,450
fascinating man yes he has been real

2106
01:36:08,190 --> 01:36:06,550
nice man real nice gentleman hey came

2107
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:08,200
out and gave me a big hug after that

2108
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:10,210
little private meeting with dr. Haines

2109
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:13,840
and I maybe tell me I wasn't alone the

2110
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,050
wrong person in particular but also

2111
01:36:23,220 --> 01:36:19,840
wanted to know we do have hopefully from

2112
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:23,230
UFO data we have someone coming in for

2113
01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:26,560
that show that's gonna be hopefully on

2114
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:29,500
the 22nd of this month and on that same

2115
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:31,590
show we're gonna have dr. seth shostack

2116
01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:34,150
from the SETI project he's gonna be on

2117
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,560
the same show in the latter part of it

2118
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:37,600
we're not really gonna be debating UFOs

2119
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:39,040
but we're gonna be talking about him I

2120
01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:41,050
want to hear what his thoughts are these

2121
01:36:47,490 --> 01:36:44,740
days ever since the yeah Pentagon has

2122
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:47,500
you know admitted to checking in UFOs

2123
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:48,250
out and all that

2124
01:36:54,090 --> 01:36:51,010
so we'll see what he has to say he gets

2125
01:36:56,700 --> 01:36:54,100
a little intimidated by not intimidating

2126
01:36:59,720 --> 01:36:56,710
he's not a person you can intimidate but

2127
01:37:02,760 --> 01:36:59,730
he does not like to talk UFOs too much

2128
01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:02,770
well I you know I learned from dr.

2129
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:06,940
Haines you know how can I really affect

2130
01:37:11,940 --> 01:37:09,310
those in their field by coming out on

2131
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:11,950
this subject that was a sensitivity as a

2132
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:13,090
matter of fact a lot of people don't

2133
01:37:21,090 --> 01:37:19,600
know on my I have a conference DVD that

2134
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:21,100
I did is called the scholars collection

2135
01:37:26,370 --> 01:37:24,280
all the speakers and they would not sign

2136
01:37:29,550 --> 01:37:26,380
off on it if I put Timothy good in there

2137
01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:29,560
so I had to run a separate DVD for

2138
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:32,710
Timothy good in order in order to get

2139
01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:35,770
there I had these one of the by

2140
01:37:40,820 --> 01:37:37,420
understand at the last minute they were

2141
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:40,830
going to back down not even come and

2142
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:43,390
actually Nancy Talbot saved the day

2143
01:37:49,410 --> 01:37:47,170
because she's friends with Timothy good

2144
01:37:51,900 --> 01:37:49,420
unless until you promise not to speak

2145
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:51,910
about aliens because they were their

2146
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:53,530
governments won't allow them to come he

2147
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:56,290
said no I won't and when I picked him up

2148
01:38:00,510 --> 01:37:58,330
at the airport the first thing out of

2149
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:00,520
his mouth I'm going to talk about aliens

2150
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:06,280
watch this and he did so

2151
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:09,310
I can't promise me laughter $3,000 for

2152
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:12,730
production of another video but at

2153
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:16,080
towards the end there when we do do the

2154
01:38:22,260 --> 01:38:19,840
the I actually give these Divi DVDs away

2155
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:22,270
for the cost of whatever the postage to

2156
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:25,360
mail up to you but anybody interested in

2157
01:38:29,010 --> 01:38:27,910
this my whole purpose was to get this

2158
01:38:31,650 --> 01:38:29,020
out into the public

2159
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:31,660
I've sent us off to school sends to the

2160
01:38:34,530 --> 01:38:32,770
universities

2161
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:34,540
well while you're on the Sunday why

2162
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:36,010
don't you give out information how

2163
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:37,500
people can get ahold of you for that

2164
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:41,680
yeah it's I have to I've closed my

2165
01:38:51,330 --> 01:38:44,050
website down but I do have a Facebook

2166
01:38:52,230 --> 01:38:51,340
page it's the Cu fo r NC XML Dom say

2167
01:38:58,710 --> 01:38:52,240
that one more time

2168
01:39:03,240 --> 01:38:58,720
it it's see you fo r NC like Q for North

2169
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:03,250
Carolina's you fo r NC at gmail.com if

2170
01:39:10,020 --> 01:39:07,510
you send me an email and just want to

2171
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:10,030
mail me the postage on it I will mail a

2172
01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:13,810
copy of this that no charge out it's a

2173
01:39:19,470 --> 01:39:16,420
good group of speakers I'll say that I

2174
01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:19,480
have never been more impressed by any

2175
01:39:26,250 --> 01:39:22,150
speakers anywhere than I was with that

2176
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:26,260
conference you know I think I just

2177
01:39:30,030 --> 01:39:27,760
wanted the truth to get out and be taken

2178
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:30,040
seriously away you know when I had the

2179
01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:32,170
media come I just wanted it not to be

2180
01:39:38,150 --> 01:39:34,750
viewed with the taboo it was always

2181
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:38,160
viewed I wanted to see actual scientist

2182
01:39:44,370 --> 01:39:41,410
Lesley was so helpful to become such a

2183
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:44,380
good friend and help me throw this group

2184
01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:50,320
together yeah and Timothy he was one of

2185
01:39:54,660 --> 01:39:52,420
the first conferences speakers that I

2186
01:39:58,500 --> 01:39:54,670
went to speak so he was the first one I

2187
01:40:02,160 --> 01:39:58,510
asked to come and after I did that I

2188
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:02,170
found out maybe wasn't such a good idea

2189
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:04,480
of the rest of them but I was impressed

2190
01:40:14,190 --> 01:40:08,530
I went to the MU Phan in Cherry Hill New

2191
01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:14,200
Jersey in 2014 and dr. Steven Bassett

2192
01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:17,710
came up to me and was so upset and he

2193
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:19,630
was like how did you get them to come to

2194
01:40:22,330 --> 01:40:20,150
York

2195
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:22,340
because he tried to get him to come to

2196
01:40:28,180 --> 01:40:26,000
his you know that big hearing thing he

2197
01:40:33,070 --> 01:40:28,190
had up in Washington and they wouldn't

2198
01:40:35,169 --> 01:40:33,080
they wouldn't attend and they they came

2199
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:35,179
and spoke at mine so he was a little

2200
01:40:41,530 --> 01:40:39,440
well upset about that but whatever way

2201
01:40:44,589 --> 01:40:41,540
the word has to get out you know I just

2202
01:40:50,879 --> 01:40:44,599
you know North Carolina actually we

2203
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:54,220
dr. Mac was one of the speakers there oh

2204
01:41:00,760 --> 01:40:56,090
wow luckily enough to get to meet him

2205
01:41:03,399 --> 01:41:00,770
and yeah dr. lair was there and we had

2206
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:03,409
some good speakers back then but North

2207
01:41:10,450 --> 01:41:08,510
Carolina's got a good group of you know

2208
01:41:14,290 --> 01:41:10,460
we used to have 150 people come to our

2209
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:14,300
meetings every meeting and that's all I

2210
01:41:20,890 --> 01:41:17,360
think ever since yes I think they hope

2211
01:41:23,709 --> 01:41:20,900
ever since the whole John venturi deal

2212
01:41:27,939 --> 01:41:23,719
went down with MUFON and though I

2213
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:27,949
personally you know emailed Jan and

2214
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:30,800
asked Jan to please disassociate you

2215
01:41:35,919 --> 01:41:33,920
know from you fond sake you can't have

2216
01:41:38,109 --> 01:41:35,929
your national spokesman out their site

2217
01:41:41,649 --> 01:41:38,119
and stuff like this it's good know you

2218
01:41:46,270 --> 01:41:41,659
know can I hurt MUFON and and lakita

2219
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,280
Adams was our state director and it just

2220
01:41:52,540 --> 01:41:49,280
it was sad because it lakita lost

2221
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:52,550
interest we never had to pay for stuff

2222
01:41:58,020 --> 01:41:54,650
like like you do now with the brochures

2223
01:42:00,370 --> 01:41:58,030
and stuff when I started move on out

2224
01:42:02,830 --> 01:42:00,380
they would send us we got a good group

2225
01:42:05,919 --> 01:42:02,840
together and there we've stopped having

2226
01:42:07,359 --> 01:42:05,929
the big meetings we have a about 30 of

2227
01:42:11,770 --> 01:42:07,369
us get together for you of us get

2228
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:11,780
together and every every so few years

2229
01:42:19,149 --> 01:42:14,239
I'll throw a conference on draws a good

2230
01:42:20,919 --> 01:42:19,159
gathering but I had as many in 2016 show

2231
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:20,929
up just about it I did this big

2232
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:24,320
conference I had in 2013 yeah so there's

2233
01:42:27,220 --> 01:42:26,090
a good it's a big following here in

2234
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:27,230
North Carolina

2235
01:42:33,490 --> 01:42:29,770
people interested in this subject and I

2236
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:33,500
just attended a class in January at Duke

2237
01:42:46,530 --> 01:42:38,950
on UFOs by David Halpern gave this class

2238
01:42:49,390 --> 01:42:46,540
so religion professor but he's back with

2239
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:49,400
before you know with Timothy green and

2240
01:42:57,070 --> 01:42:53,570
back back in their early 50s and 60s at

2241
01:43:00,580 --> 01:42:57,080
the gray Barker and all that so he's got

2242
01:43:03,790 --> 01:43:00,590
a lot of history into UFOs but how is

2243
01:43:06,370 --> 01:43:03,800
that that Mike getting back as my

2244
01:43:08,380 --> 01:43:06,380
conference actually spurred lakita gave

2245
01:43:11,050 --> 01:43:08,390
out went out to a couple of colleges and

2246
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:11,060
gave talks I was asked to I've given

2247
01:43:20,110 --> 01:43:16,400
talks to five high schools classes yeah

2248
01:43:22,420 --> 01:43:20,120
it really did a lot to push the issue

2249
01:43:26,140 --> 01:43:22,430
out there and bring to people's

2250
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:26,150
attention Wow well now we only have

2251
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:28,250
about five minutes left just to let you

2252
01:43:32,710 --> 01:43:30,410
know okay so if anyone wants to call in

2253
01:43:34,930 --> 01:43:32,720
its a last call for a call and that

2254
01:43:37,690 --> 01:43:34,940
number is eight five five four seven two

2255
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:37,700
five four eight three or forever hold

2256
01:43:43,480 --> 01:43:41,330
your peace now getting back that you

2257
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:43,490
know some was posting on the chat room

2258
01:43:50,170 --> 01:43:45,770
that you know John venturi is still very

2259
01:43:51,820 --> 01:43:50,180
involved in MUFON I thought I heard

2260
01:43:55,530 --> 01:43:51,830
something about that but I thought he

2261
01:43:58,030 --> 01:43:55,540
was out but that's what that's what

2262
01:44:00,160 --> 01:43:58,040
pretty much has caused this abandonment

2263
01:44:01,900 --> 01:44:00,170
of I mean there's still a MUFON chapter

2264
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:01,910
but it's not like it was there's no

2265
01:44:06,580 --> 01:44:04,730
really we don't have a website anymore

2266
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:06,590
or anything I don't belong them you

2267
01:44:10,990 --> 01:44:08,260
found anymore

2268
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:11,000
Nikita's backed out it's it's it's it

2269
01:44:16,930 --> 01:44:14,330
did its damage and I hate it because

2270
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:16,940
I've worked so hard all these years you

2271
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:20,090
know and you hear these stories he's out

2272
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:23,060
he's in he's out and then you know I

2273
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:24,770
hate stay but I think this comes down to

2274
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:26,570
a money thing you know just somebody

2275
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,450
else said that online I read something

2276
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:31,520
about that I don't know maybe six months

2277
01:44:37,540 --> 01:44:34,730
ago you know I think I mean I can't

2278
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:37,550
money I can't you know I'm not an

2279
01:44:40,930 --> 01:44:38,960
accountant I'm not in their books so I

2280
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,940
can't make that accusation but it's

2281
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:42,560
what's what I've heard and it's going

2282
01:44:45,620 --> 01:44:43,860
around and

2283
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:45,630
I've heard of an outrageous salary that

2284
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:47,760
he makes monthly Jan makes monthly and

2285
01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:50,369
it's just for all the people that do

2286
01:44:56,839 --> 01:44:52,710
hard work and good there is so many good

2287
01:44:59,540 --> 01:44:56,849
people in in in MUFON that works so hard

2288
01:45:01,879 --> 01:44:59,550
and so diligently and there's no science

2289
01:45:03,589 --> 01:45:01,889
anymore there's no this is why push

2290
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,599
everybody to Richard Hoffman he's

2291
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:05,040
fantastic right

2292
01:45:09,260 --> 01:45:07,530
you know his scientific group that mean

2293
01:45:11,209 --> 01:45:09,270
this is the way you're going to come

2294
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:11,219
about the discoveries through science

2295
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:15,480
and even our science probably couldn't

2296
01:45:21,770 --> 01:45:19,199
keep up with whoever these are but but

2297
01:45:25,250 --> 01:45:21,780
that's the only way that really you know

2298
01:45:26,510 --> 01:45:25,260
can really solve this cases de to come

2299
01:45:31,010 --> 01:45:26,520
right out with the government's come

2300
01:45:33,229 --> 01:45:31,020
right out and or science itself you know

2301
01:45:36,770 --> 01:45:33,239
and you really that's one thing that

2302
01:45:38,089 --> 01:45:36,780
impressed me about huh no go ahead I

2303
01:45:40,430 --> 01:45:38,099
really don't think the government knows

2304
01:45:42,620 --> 01:45:40,440
all all that the people think they know

2305
01:45:44,589 --> 01:45:42,630
I really don't I don't know either yeah

2306
01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:44,599
and I

2307
01:45:50,510 --> 01:45:48,420
I'm fascinated like France and Chile for

2308
01:45:53,330 --> 01:45:50,520
instance they have their own

2309
01:45:56,299 --> 01:45:53,340
organizations that are paid for by the

2310
01:45:59,209 --> 01:45:56,309
government that take this seriously and

2311
01:46:01,939 --> 01:45:59,219
they seriously will tell you these craft

2312
01:46:05,180 --> 01:46:01,949
exists they always have and one of

2313
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:05,190
Jose's things was that what sefa is that

2314
01:46:10,549 --> 01:46:08,010
he wanted to make sure to try to get the

2315
01:46:13,490 --> 01:46:10,559
United States to help them understand

2316
01:46:15,379 --> 01:46:13,500
you know is this your craft or are we

2317
01:46:17,810 --> 01:46:15,389
looking at something that's coming from

2318
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:17,820
somewhere else you know they want the

2319
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:19,860
United States is helping to be more open

2320
01:46:24,589 --> 01:46:22,290
and can I believe like a pilots couldn't

2321
01:46:27,919 --> 01:46:24,599
talk about it and there's so many

2322
01:46:30,290 --> 01:46:27,929
countries that do allow you know the

2323
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:30,300
exposure and for them to be free to talk

2324
01:46:34,549 --> 01:46:31,920
about it but it's like the Chicago

2325
01:46:38,450 --> 01:46:34,559
O'Hare incident you know I mean if a

2326
01:46:41,330 --> 01:46:38,460
tire blows up on a runway or a bolt

2327
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:41,340
falls off a plane is its own takeoff you

2328
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,780
know they got to clean the runway they

2329
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:44,639
got a follow report of FAA and

2330
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:46,170
everything and here's this crap that

2331
01:46:52,490 --> 01:46:51,690
wants to sit above the runway yeah yeah

2332
01:46:56,410 --> 01:46:52,500
and in it

2333
01:46:59,230 --> 01:46:56,420
and there's nothing at FA I mean come on

2334
01:47:01,600 --> 01:46:59,240
yeah everybody see now with the United

2335
01:47:04,060 --> 01:47:01,610
States Navy's doing and announcing all

2336
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:04,070
this all this distrust they had with the

2337
01:47:08,710 --> 01:47:07,250
government they were right you know that

2338
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,720
this stuff has been hidden and they're

2339
01:47:13,210 --> 01:47:10,880
coming out little by little more and

2340
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:13,220
more you know it's a good thing Tom's

2341
01:47:18,610 --> 01:47:16,850
done about that Louise not that they

2342
01:47:22,690 --> 01:47:18,620
have all the answers or know everything

2343
01:47:25,420 --> 01:47:22,700
you know and maybe this is a you know

2344
01:47:27,370 --> 01:47:25,430
way to get some attention but at least

2345
01:47:30,370 --> 01:47:27,380
it's a start at least it helped uncover

2346
01:47:33,130 --> 01:47:30,380
this much so far that's I don't think

2347
01:47:36,490 --> 01:47:33,140
anyone can disagree with that I really

2348
01:47:39,220 --> 01:47:36,500
know but we are out of time so if you

2349
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:39,230
could once again give out your Facebook

2350
01:47:46,650 --> 01:47:40,400
page is good

2351
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:46,660
yeah that's C u fo r NC at gmail.com

2352
01:47:52,420 --> 01:47:49,730
that's how you find it that's that's the

2353
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:52,430
no that's the website and and my gmail

2354
01:47:59,470 --> 01:47:56,530
and the Facebook page is Center for UFO

2355
01:48:01,960 --> 01:47:59,480
research North Carolina

2356
01:48:03,610 --> 01:48:01,970
thanks so much on Facebook I can't

2357
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:03,620
believe the time went by so fast thanks

2358
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:06,290
so much and uh you take care and stay

2359
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:08,870
healthy as you can yeah thank you so

2360
01:48:12,820 --> 01:48:11,330
much Martin and God bless you and yeah

2361
01:48:15,460 --> 01:48:12,830
keep it up and keep up the good work

2362
01:48:17,530 --> 01:48:15,470
all right take care bye bye alright

2363
01:48:19,150 --> 01:48:17,540
everyone that's it for the show we have

2364
01:48:22,570 --> 01:48:19,160
Grant Cameron's coming right up if

2365
01:48:24,670 --> 01:48:22,580
you're on kgr a he has Alan B Smith Tom

2366
01:48:26,020 --> 01:48:24,680
Reed I can't even read all these people

2367
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:26,030
he's got a ton of guests so it should be

2368
01:48:33,820 --> 01:48:30,050
a good show anyway next week we have

2369
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:33,830
Kevin day in Gary Voris coming on and

2370
01:48:38,590 --> 01:48:35,690
thanks so much for listening we have to